I think you're one to talk about bizarre comments after that post, Liam!

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 21/01/2014 16:28:56    1534772

Surely now that a senior GAA official has officially removed ALL doubt and confirmed there was a bite and that the "mark was severe" the GAA, Dublin GAA and media should immediately apologise to Donegal? Will Jim Gavin and the Dublin county board, who keep telling us their players are all above this type of behaviour and cynicism now also condemn this incident and distance themselves from it? This has opened a can of worms now!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9824 - 21/01/2014 16:35:30    1534778

Letterkenny, there is nothing in that article that says he was bitten!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 21/01/2014 16:36:29    1534780

Donegal have now been exonerated, Dublin County board, over to you.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 21/01/2014 16:50:18    1534794

How have Donegal been exonerated??? The usual anti Dub bandwagon is on the move.

fingalman (Dublin) - Posts: 233 - 21/01/2014 17:04:46    1534804

Hurling Dub

Are you serious or taking the ****? Nothing to say he was bitten? lol Wise up man.

Just glad that Donegal has came out on the right side of this!

letterkennyGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 178 - 21/01/2014 17:15:28    1534810

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How have Donegal been exonerated??? The usual anti Dub bandwagon is on the move.

Wouldn't say Donegal have been exonerated but there is no anti Dublin bias here, it's accepted a Dublin player bit an opponent that day and now there's a possibility that another Dublin player committed a similar act a couple of weeks back. When such acts occur of course people will react and pass comment, that's not bias its called registering your disgust. I still believe Donegal acted totally wrong in relation to due process, they had a duty not just to their players but players everywhere to see the investigation through and they failed and for that they should be ashamed

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 21/01/2014 17:15:34    1534811

Over to us Brend...

To do what exactly

Punish a guy when there's no evidence against him?

This story is well and truly dead.

The time to punish the Dublin player has passed

He was there at that hearing waiting for whatever outcome.

Unfortunately he was the only one.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 21/01/2014 17:23:47    1534819

"The counties involved may have chosen to deal with this incident solely in terms of their own interests; be that as it may, they did not emerge with any credit and succeeded only in damaging the reputation of the Association."

They aren't the first counties and they wont be the last...

At the end of the day... The Dublin player in question was there to be either punished or exonerated

The reason why this rumbles on is because that didn't happen. It was left in limbo

That's not his fault and as such I see no reason why this has to be passed to the Dublin CB

They've already followed every procedure like many counties before them...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 21/01/2014 17:28:54    1534821

Donegal didn't follow through on their serious allegation...

And Duffy has been just as critical of their stance as he has been over Dublin's in that article.

How that has exonerated Donegal is beyond me.....

The Dublin player if he did in fact bite another player was let off Scot free

That has nothing to do with a master stoke of defense by the Dublin CB... not even in the slightest

It's got everything to do with Donegal not following through...

Dublin CB followed procedure... Can the Donegal CB say the same?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 21/01/2014 17:34:54    1534826

Thanks to Duffy and the Donegal Democrat for that "EVIDENCE" that's puts to bed the issue about the biting in the final league game of last season.

Clearly there was a bite, because somebody said so, and someone else chose to believe that.

Just to clear up, the Dublin player appealed his ban, and at the hearing the player accusing him didn't turn up. No charges could be brought against him on that basis.

Now if the Dublin player was willing to clear his name, and turned up. He followed procedure and that is all he could do. Therefore he is innocent. You cant keep claiming there was a bite, and everyone knows there was a bite on the basis that you THINK there was or someone says they were bitten. If they felt so strongly they were bitten they should have attended the hearing and gave evidence. SIMPLES

A bruised arm doesn't necessarily mean someone was bitten.

And Duffy saying there was a bite means nothing, that's like John Delaney saying Roy Keane battered Niall Quinns aunt Mary. It doesn't make it true, no matter what position he holds within an organisation.

The burden of proof lies with the accuser in this case. He had a bruised arm. Someone might have pinched his arm?

We will never know, as the player accusing the player didn't show up.

This issue has been flogged to death and so far, ZERO evidence was produced really.

Im not condoning biting, but Im not condoning punishing someone on hearsay either.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 21/01/2014 17:38:27    1534827

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How have Donegal been exonerated??? The usual anti Dub bandwagon is on the move.

Wouldn't say Donegal have been exonerated but there is no anti Dublin bias here, it's accepted a Dublin player bit an opponent that day and now there's a possibility that another Dublin player committed a similar act a couple of weeks back. When such acts occur of course people will react and pass comment, that's not bias its called registering your disgust. I still believe Donegal acted totally wrong in relation to due process, they had a duty not just to their players but players everywhere to see the investigation through and they failed and for that they should be ashamed

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 21/01/2014 17:38:48    1534828

Richieq...

It is accepted a Dublin player bit a Donegal player???

Who accepted it? The player accused certainly didn't accept it, he was willing to clear his name at a hearing.

You and many others think it happened, there are others who think it was a little bit of fabrication.

But you cant flippantly say ITS ACCEPTED that a Dublin player is guilty of biting. In fact, the hearing to enquire about this allegation accepted that no charges could be brought. That makes him innocent.

So, no its not accepted anybody was guilty of biting anybody.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 21/01/2014 17:59:40    1534843

I still believe Donegal acted totally wrong in relation to due process, they had a duty not just to their players but players everywhere to see the investigation through and they failed and for that they should be ashamed

I hope a meath player doesnt face a similar predicament this year. Its very easy to talk from a safe distance, and less than an hour from a croke park appeal too.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3853 - 21/01/2014 18:14:53    1534852

Richieq...

It is accepted a Dublin player bit a Donegal player???

Who accepted it? The player accused certainly didn't accept it, he was willing to clear his name at a hearing.

You and many others think it happened, there are others who think it was a little bit of fabrication.

But you cant flippantly say ITS ACCEPTED that a Dublin player is guilty of biting. In fact, the hearing to enquire about this allegation accepted that no charges could be brought. That makes him innocent.

So, no its not accepted anybody was guilty of biting anybody.

Plenty of people involved in incidents have gone forward to clear their name, some based on facts some based on technicalities or loopholes, the fact that it was to be contested does not presume innocence. I live in Donegal, happen to know some of their players, so I'm not making flippant remarks about anything, I'm going on what I've been told, a bite took place but unfortunately and neglectfully Donegal did not follow through therefore doing a disservice to players everywhere in my humble opinion and I would say that the Dublin player should never have been left with a cloud hanging over him if Donegal never intended to follow through on the matter, bad situation all round I'm afraid

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 21/01/2014 18:15:24    1534853

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I still believe Donegal acted totally wrong in relation to due process, they had a duty not just to their players but players everywhere to see the investigation through and they failed and for that they should be ashamed

I hope a meath player doesnt face a similar predicament this year. Its very easy to talk from a safe distance, and less than an hour from a croke park appeal too.

And what has that got to do with the price of parsnips?? I'm not a safe distance at all but that doesn't stop me voicing my opinion. Meath players over the years have been no angels but whatever they did if was up front and in your face and without a trace of cowardice, as cowardly an act as the bite was it was as cowardly not to stand up to it and make an example of the crime and it's perpetrator

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3750 - 21/01/2014 18:57:41    1534868

Lads it still comes down to one players word against another and no matter what the evidence might suggest we cannot go forward making judgements in this way.It would lead to complete chaos on the field and in the disciplinary system.We must "see" the offense being committed in the absence of a confession from the accused player.If we don't have one or the other then nothing can really be done by the association to punish the alleged offender.It is frustrating I suppose because we can feel truly aggrieved by such events especially when the burden of proof would suggest an offence has indeed been committed,but indisputable evidence must be the key to any disciplinary action being taken.Like I said in an earlier post though,Jim Gavin and the Dublin management and indeed the management of all teams the length and breadth of the country should be making it clear to their players from underage to senior that such behaviour is completely unacceptable and will not be tolerated.If I was playing today and a team mate of mine was known to have done such a thing I think I would be saying to him,"wise up man thats not on". Sometimes a squad needs to find discipline from within its own ranks.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 21/01/2014 19:05:54    1534872

Again not to belittle you Richieq.......

But the reality is you might know the player claiming a bite against him. He might say he definitely got bit. But he didn't turn up to the adjudication, which means the accused player can only be presumed innocent. That makes the guy accusing someone of a vile act a liar.

I know someone involved in the Dublin set up, they say he wasn't bit.

Who do you believe?

It would have been better both players attend the hearing, as one player would have probably been found out. Would have sent a message out to those who partake in vile acts/those who pretend they were the victims of vile acts that this is unacceptable either way.

But nothing happened.

Issuing an address saying a biting incident was a low point in the GAA this year is in fact a LOWER point in my opinion. There was an alleged biting incident, one which was inconclusive. Saying something that may have happened was a low point is pretty stupid!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 21/01/2014 19:14:23    1534875

Agreed seanie-boy with all the above,

But also if I was in a squad where a boy was crying wolf; I would also be telling him to wise up too. If he was telling fibs he brought an awful lot of unwanted/unneeded pressure on the Donegal camp.

Surely trying to get a guy sent off is just as bad?

(PS.... I was wrongly sent off as a young lad in a game, I've never forgiven the lad who went down holding his face saying he was punched by me, we were in the same school). Shocking behaviour. I never spoke to the guy again, to get a lad punished for something he didn't do is again, as cowardly as biting someone.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 21/01/2014 19:19:44    1534876

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Agreed seanie-boy with all the above,

But also if I was in a squad where a boy was crying wolf; I would also be telling him to wise up too. If he was telling fibs he brought an awful lot of unwanted/unneeded pressure on the Donegal camp.

Surely trying to get a guy sent off is just as bad?

(PS.... I was wrongly sent off as a young lad in a game, I've never forgiven the lad who went down holding his face saying he was punched by me, we were in the same school). Shocking behaviour. I never spoke to the guy again, to get a lad punished for something he didn't do is again, as cowardly as biting someone.
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I hear ye mate.Faking an injury is just as bad and is hard to watch too.I was once elbowed full smack on the jaw,off the ball,in a game one time.I was nearly knocked out,felt dizzy for a few seconds but was able to regain composure and play on.Point is I wish the ref or umpires had seen it cos it was total dirty on field thuggery and the player should have been sent off and suspended.I wouldn't have expected him to be sent of on my word though,even though I "know" he did it.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 21/01/2014 19:50:05    1534888