Just heard this on RTE radio this morning and now its up on the RTE website. Pity RTE pick out the one of the five managers they spoke to yesterday who was against the black card to focus on.
Brian McIver, Paul Bealin, Jim Gavin and Alan Mulholland all were accepting of the new rules of the game and are getting on with it.

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 06/01/2014 10:42:42    1528069

Early indications are, and this is very early, is that the black card seems to have been a success. Spoke to my bro who was in Letterkenny and he said that the game was played in a good spirit and there was less of the cynical and niggly stuff thats been a feature of this fixture in the past few years. Whether or not this was as a result of the black card its too hard to say but by the same token its too early to dismiss its impact as well.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/01/2014 11:06:27    1528080

Its way too early to tell but I must say Im still in the wrong side of the fence. I think its just adding to the confusion.
Yesterday I wasnt at the Donegal game but when Donegal got the penalty there was a bit of confusion on the radio as to whether Morgan pulled down or not and if so is that classed as cynical.
I think there are definately cases where its 100% cynical and then the person deserves the punishment but I forsee alot of great players getting put off for mistimed (Kavanaghs tackle by the sound of it) tackles or minor collisions.

I think the next month will be telling though

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 06/01/2014 11:11:15    1528084

Brend you are totally wrong it was nothing to do with the black card that made the game a success. Surely any deliberate foul can be classed as cynical??? Kavanagh hit mc cann late after he hit the ball, obviously thats cynical so he got a black card. Murphy hit shea mc guigan late and stopped his run and got a yellow card. Is this not a cynical act to? and if so why a yellow card and not a black? which superseeds the other? personally i would have rather seen murphy off the pitch lol.

It just doesn't make sense and this is going to happen all year? Morgan pulled the player down when he got past him, why was this a yellow instead of blac? surely every deliberate foul in a way is cynical. Its going to be a mess i am telling you!

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 06/01/2014 11:44:32    1528091

The black card just adds an element of grayness to an area where there should be clarity. It is open to interpretation on the whims of the referee and it will be almost impossible to ensure consistency across the board.. It will be very frustrating for players, management and supporters and can games will be majorly influenced by the referees take on the rules.

Hopefully it will be gone by the end of the year.

JP91 (Armagh) - Posts: 316 - 06/01/2014 11:52:51    1528095

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Its like I said, its too early to make judgement calls at this time, I agree with you about the interpretation of the rules, its all going to come down the whim of each individual referee at the end of the day and that can't be good for the game.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/01/2014 12:25:03    1528107

grimley makes a great point though that always the negative things are highlighted in the media on gaa!!
for 5 or 6 cynical tackles there must have been a hundred brilliant tackles but go unspoken.
then even the fact that rte spoke to 5 managers and four of them were happy with the black card
while they concentrated on the 1 guy wasnt.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/01/2014 12:44:25    1528121

Jesus Christ give it a chance, most people are criticising it before it's even been used - 'but it'll be hard for the refs' ' players will find a way around it' 'teams with big panels'...yada yada yada, how about we give it a go first? It waan't my preference to stop cynical fouling but hopefully it will still have some positive affect.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 06/01/2014 12:52:18    1528126

Much the same verdict from Mullingar Brend. McGoldrick looked once or twice as if he was contemplating a black card but issued yellow instead. Geame was fairly open, but of course this is January and McKenna and O'Byrne are nowhere near as ferocious as league never mind championship. Intersting to see the countdown clock in operation as well.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 06/01/2014 13:04:28    1528131

Why do people talk about it coming down to the whims of individual referees? The rules are very clear, maybe it is just the case that referees are making a bad job of it in some instances but hopefully this will be cleared up pretty quickly. One could say that the difference between what is a yellow and red card is also down to the whims of referees, but surely nobody suggests that we should get rid of these? A late, mistimed tackle is not the same as a late, cynical tackle but I expect many people will struggle with this. Goalkeepers who deliberately pull down forwards should always be black carded, and it is not a moment too soon that punishment like this should be dished out instead of just a penalty and a chance for the keeper to redeem himself and benefit from unsporting play.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/01/2014 13:08:07    1528132

Soma, i presume you don't go to watch much gaelic.

Rory kavanagh came in late on tiernan mc cann after he kicked the ball, cynical, yes, as are all deliberate frees - black card

Mickey Murphy came in late punched shay mc guigan as he passed the ball, cynical, yellow card!

There will be piles of confusion

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 06/01/2014 14:09:40    1528158

If you play the game in the right spirit, and you dont cheat..........you have nothing to worry about

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 06/01/2014 14:16:38    1528160

I both go to them and play them, which is why I am in favour of the black card, but I am afraid I dont attend any McKenna cup games in January. From your description though a black card was given for a tackle made after the ball was played, while a yellow card was made for a tackle as the ball was played? This doesnt mean either decision was correct as a late tackle does not necessarily mean a black card, but it does suggest they were 2 different types of incident and so the ref may have been correct to give 2 different types of punishment. Not sure what I said above made you think I dont go to games.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/01/2014 14:17:11    1528161

I agree with the black card in principle but know it'll be hard to judge.I havent seen any matches with it so far, but the inter county scene doesnt seem to be suffering too bad from the black card. My main worry is at club level. There are some terrible referees who make terrible decisions out there, and the black card is just going to make this worse.

Some referees will be itching to dish out the new fangled card for any foul. I've a feeling that if you tried to ask them which of the 5 new offences the foul came under they'd be quick to dish out another for remonstrating.

Also I just know with some refs that any foul whatsoever within the big rectangle, from carelessless, bad timing or slipping through to a Kavanagh grade rugby tackle will be regarded as "cynical" and the player black carded.

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1677 - 06/01/2014 15:32:40    1528208

hill16no1man
grimley makes a great point though that always the negative things are highlighted in the media on gaa!!
for 5 or 6 cynical tackles there must have been a hundred brilliant tackles but go unspoken.

Ya but come on, this is a new rule that has just been introduced. If they had just introduced the fair tackle (there is a northern quip in there somewhere!) then you would expect more talk about the fair tackles that had taken place. It stands to reason the new rule will come under scrutiny. I must admit, when reading reports from games I was looking out for black cards, it is the natural inclination to do so.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/01/2014 15:51:06    1528220

Not one issued in dit Meath game. It will affect the negative teams most.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/01/2014 16:05:42    1528229

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1528158 Soma, i presume you don't go to watch much gaelic.

Rory kavanagh came in late on tiernan mc cann after he kicked the ball, cynical, yes, as are all deliberate frees - black card

Mickey Murphy came in late punched shay mc guigan as he passed the ball, cynical, yellow card!

There will be piles of confusion

The black card is designed to be a deterent, to make players think twice, , if there is still as much dragging of players at the end of this year obviously it hasn't worked , but if coming away from games ye feel there was less cynical fouling then it has worked, its only been introduced so I wouldn't be analysing to death because of sat and sun, refs are only human and off course there is gonna be some who will be a bit slower to issue ones at the start, but its in the early stages its only natural there will be teething problems.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 06/01/2014 16:08:07    1528230

We will all just have to wait and see for the cut and thrust of genuine league/championship matches to review the new system. But they seem to have got off to a very quiet start.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 06/01/2014 18:21:06    1528310

If a keeper pulls down a player in the square then a penalty is given and the keeper gets a black card. The player can't be replaced until the next break in play. So does this mean an outfield player will have to step in for a penalty?

Was at two games at the weekend and it seemed to me that the referee's didn't give black cards when he should have and opted for yellow in both games. It will be a farce.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 06/01/2014 18:48:40    1528330

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If a keeper pulls down a player in the square then a penalty is given and the keeper gets a black card. The player can't be replaced until the next break in play. So does this mean an outfield player will have to step in for a penalty?

Was at two games at the weekend and it seemed to me that the referee's didn't give black cards when he should have and opted for yellow in both games. It will be a farce.

The rules suggest this but most referees, in the interest of fairness, would use common sense and allow a substitute. When a keeper is red carded currently and a penalty conceded really the referee should allow the penalty be taken before any sub is made because the sub keeper is never immediately ready to come on, however in reality this never happens as a referee uses common sense.

What were the instances when you felt the referee incorrectly gave a yellow card rather than a black, I am interested in how this has started throughout the country?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 06/01/2014 19:12:20    1528338