Donal Og Cusack wrote a pretty good article a few years ago about cyncial fouling in hurling, particularly the use of the spare hand
http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/daily-news/1/2108122046-on-the-line-donal-og-cusack-on-hurling/

This kind of thing isn't limited to anyone team, everyone's guilty. The only difference between teams seems to be that the top tier teams are let away with most of it, while teams competing in the lower teams seem to be punished more severely.

But I'd also agree with dblackandamber that hurling can no longer be refereed in the sammer manner as football. While I'd keep an open mind with the black card, I don't think it will solve the main problem, if sole responsibility for policing a game is left to just one referee. With the speed hurling is played at now, and the fact that you can have shenanigans going on all over the pitch at the same time, having one person responsible for seeing everything isn't practical. We have 7 officials on the pitch, we need to use them better, and I'd really like the umpire's role changed to a more proactive one when it comes to officiating and policing the game.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 04/12/2013 21:12:53    1520679

Exactly rebel, you just need to see a count of the fouls in football vs hurling, there's a huge difference. I'm not football bashing BTW, it's just that it's a different game, a lot more time spent with possession in close contact with your marker than in hurling, which naturally results in more fouls. If you look closely at those fouls you mentioned hill, and turn off the insufferable gobs**yes commentating you'll notice that very few, if any were fouls, and none were cynical. Most were feigns by the attackers, knowing they had a good freetaker

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 04/12/2013 21:16:44    1520682

Nobody is saying there are not issues in hurling , whats been said is address them on their merits and come up with solutions for hurlings failings and not impose something that was put together for football purposes because for some its logical , its not its lazy administration .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 04/12/2013 22:00:58    1520713

flack
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Exactly rebel, you just need to see a count of the fouls in football vs hurling, there's a huge difference. I'm not football bashing BTW, it's just that it's a different game, a lot more time spent with possession in close contact with your marker than in hurling, which naturally results in more fouls. If you look closely at those fouls you mentioned hill, and turn off the insufferable gob****** commentating you'll notice that very few, if any were fouls, and none were cynical. Most were feigns by the attackers, knowing they had a good freetaker


Most were feigns means they were cynical fouls and for the record feigning a foul or diving is a yellow card offence in gaelic football and hurling

donkeyford (Limerick) - Posts: 119 - 05/12/2013 11:45:39    1520792

In hurling if you foul (be it deliberate or not) beyond 30 metres or so in your own half line you will be punished with a score against you. Closer in it could be much worse so a deliberate foul on anyone other than a player clean through on goal is a pretty brainless action. I just don't see the need for it in hurling.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 05/12/2013 12:30:31    1520844

Absolutely ridiculous IMO! there is very little wrong with hurling as it is

tippman1986 (Tipperary) - Posts: 3 - 05/12/2013 12:39:50    1520850

Sorry donkeyford, but I've never heard a feign being called a foul before, not saying it's not cynical, but definitely not what the black card is supposed to stop. Neither have I seen a yellow card for faking or diving, although I'd love to. A lot

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 05/12/2013 14:17:48    1520921

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hill16no1man
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Very few of the fouls were cylinical in any way from clare. They were also punished for their fouls.

you dont have to do a seany ccavanagh to make it cynical.
they clearly like cork did in the semi final wanted to stop goal scoring chance thats cynical doesnt matter if you haul down or pull jersey or jump on back its all same thing

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 14:25:13    1520929

flack

so its only cyncial in your book if its a rugby tackle
stopping deliberatly a goal scoring chance is not cycnical no?
isnt that what they done in the hurling?
you need to take off the hurling holier than thou cap as there is differant ways to be cynical

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 14:29:36    1520934

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Nobody is saying there are not issues in hurling , whats been said is address them on their merits and come up with solutions for hurlings failings and not impose something that was put together for football purposes because for some its logical , its not its lazy administration .

I agree with your point,im not saying black card should be brought into either just to state
but the attitude of some that just because there not doing seany cavanaghs in hurling that cycnical stuff isnt happening is rubbish

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 14:31:14    1520936

I don't know what your on hill, did you even read my post? The most cynical fouls are being done by the players in possession. Cork were far more likely to score from their frees than if the ref hadn't blown. It's not very cynical to give away a goal scoring chance when there is little or nothing on for the attacker. Or are you saying that any free given (wrongly or rightly) near goal is automatically a cynical free. Sheesh.

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 05/12/2013 15:13:28    1520966

There's no need to get paranoid either, I just said there were more fouls in football, that's all. That doesn't make it worse. Are you gonna say there's not?

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 05/12/2013 15:16:39    1520967

flack

if a player is bearing down on goal and is deliberatly stopped whats the differance then isnt that cynical too?
do they really need to rugby tackle them to have the cynical only tag.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 15:31:37    1520976

flack

more fouls I dont know it would depend game on game really if your being honest.
whos getting paranoid? and of what?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 15:32:43    1520977

FAO Flack

Hurling

5.30 To attempt to achieve an advantage by
feigning a foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOULS -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for the foul, a
free puck from where play was stopped,
except as provided under Exceptions of
Rule 2.2.


Football

5.25 To attempt to achieve an advantage by
feigning a foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOUL -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.
(ii) If play has been stopped for the foul, a
free kick from where play was stopped,
except as provided under Exceptions of 79
Rule 2.2.

donkeyford (Limerick) - Posts: 119 - 05/12/2013 16:55:52    1521016

No one said there isn't any cynical fouls in hurling, or that have to be rugby tackles to be viewed as such. In the situation you describe, the fouler gets a yellow, attackers get a good chance of a goal. The consequences are already in place, it doesn't need any new rules to fix it.

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 05/12/2013 17:27:23    1521028

How many times must it be said , those opposed to the black card in hurling have NOT said there are not issues , what we are saying is lazy governance is not the answer , each code can and does have its own unique issues as well as shared issues , but something that was a brainchild for football being implemented for hurling beacuse " why not " is not acceptable .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 05/12/2013 17:45:56    1521034

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Ya, fair enough but apart from when Clare pulled down LOF in the first match i can't think of a time (off the top of my head) when Clare looked to foul a Cork player on purpose to stop a score. If a recall correctly Nash scored a goal which i don't think they would of scored if they hadn't fouled LOF, which was my original point that there's no need to get a new punishment if Clare are all ready punished for it.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 05/12/2013 18:21:44    1521044

Thanks donkeyford，I wasn't doubting its existence, I just never heard of it. I wish they'd enforce it though

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 05/12/2013 18:29:16    1521047

Flack

That's exactly the point in making there are these fouls happening in both codes its just the football pundits highlight them and want them stopped where as the hurling ones fear change so continue to ignore them and fob them off with sure its manly stuff

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 19:00:07    1521065