Looks like the CCC is not going to investigate the issue. Hopefully we can put this behind us and look forward to what should be a cracking final. The semi final was a cracker hopefully the final is as good.

spmccann (Dublin) - Posts: 209 - 03/09/2013 13:22:08    1474012

Jackeen
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For a minute there moomoo I thought you were misquoting me again but I know you've learnt your lesson from previous efforts!

No your just doing your usual job of trying to play down the hype

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 03/09/2013 13:29:32    1474024

Look every incident has to be judged on it's merits and the evidence available. However there is no doubt that there ia big perception out there, and not just amongst Ulster GAA people, that there is massive hypocrisy and double standards going on here. Many believe, rightly or wrongly, that Dublin can get away with anything and the rules don't apply to them. There is also the perception that the GAA is just afraid of Dublin, sees the dollars signs only, and will do nothing to upset them whatsover. Sunday's game was a great spectacle BUT that has diluted many peoples opinions of the cynicism and dirty strokes that went on. Tyrone and Donegal have taken pelters, a lot of it nasty, personal stuff and every game they play is forensically scrutinised by many outside Ulster and the Dublin media. ANY misdeamenours are massively highlighted and big negative campaigns then kick off fueled largely by an intense dislike of Ulster/Northern teams. This has gone beyond paranoia or 'they are all out to get us' now. This is just about fairness and a level playing field which clearly doesn't exist at this time; it seems that there are two Associations in existance with one set of rules and standards for Ulster teams and another for the rest. I for one don't want to be part of such a hypocritical deeply unjust GAA. If there are any sports journalists left with any integrity or honesty they would point out the inconsistencies and double standards going on but I won't hold my breath.

NB. To the mods: OK I had a few beers on Sunday and ranted a bit but all Ulster GAA people ask for is fairness from the GAA and media and this is clearly not happening.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9823 - 03/09/2013 13:31:20    1474025

How so moomoo? Expliquez vouz?

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 03/09/2013 13:38:28    1474033

"The Kerry County Board has declined to comment on the issue".

It was ever thus between Dublin and Kerry. What happens between the lines stays between the lines. Men of honour and respect.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 03/09/2013 13:39:12    1474035

usual nonsense with the GAA allowing the Dubs to get away with their filth, as obvious an eye gouge as you could wish to see and hopefully one which sees the disgraceful RO'C being denied an Allstar (probably doesn't deserve one anyway after being roasted in the first half on Sunday and by Stephen Bray in the Leinster final). All that being said, I'd still prefer to see them take Sam than the Landgrabbers, the lesser of two evils.

LobinstownMan (Meath) - Posts: 128 - 03/09/2013 13:46:31    1474046

Well said hurlingdub!

When we play kerry or meath its no quarter asked or given and I have yet to see a kerryman gripe about Sundays 'alleged incidents' (bar moomoo of course)!

Its more a poor reflection on the type of soft lads on this board that cant let it go!.....They dont know manliness nor toughness and so will clutch at straws!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 03/09/2013 13:55:01    1474063

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jimbodub, how do you know what evidence is out there?

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I was on jury duty one time and something stuck with me from that..

The very first thing the judge said to us in the Jury was..."Base all of your reasoning on the evidence at hand, which will be presented to you over the course of this case"

No phantom evidence, no personal theories, no personal assumptions, no personal agenda's....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2013 14:03:20    1474073

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One rule for Dublin, different rule for the rest....

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Ah come now it's not as though there was a big punch up at half time or that the Gooch was deliberately eye gouged by a certain right corner back or that ROC rugby tackled Donaghy when straight in on goal having done the same thing the week before. Tyrone people really are inviting trouble by keep putting out the victim story.
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Self deprecating sarcasm Joxer,very refreshing.

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Hardly self-deprecating Seanie but one thing is does show is the pure hypocrisy of some of the posters on here. Not a single thread can be started here now to discuss a match without some Tyrone poster coming on to highlight a push, a shove or a kick and to state that if this was a Tyrone player then this and if this was a Tyrone player then that. Look your average Joe in the south is not hopping on the Tyrone bashing bandwagon. In fact the charge is being lead by a Derry man as you know. He clearly isn't your average Joe, pun intended!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 03/09/2013 14:04:13    1474076

I wouldnt disagree with most of what you say Ulsterman, I think the vendettas against some of our Northern brethern this year has been farsical. Well it would be if it wasn't so serious - there are people on and off the pitch affected by it that put a lot of effort and money into training, following their county etc.

However, I don't believe its down to the GAA being afraid of Dublin. In my opinion (and it is only my opinion), the GAA/CCCCCCCC only really seem to go after counties/pleyers when the media calls for blood. Its like they have to be seen to be taking action if someone accuses them of not doing so. If no one cares then they seem happy to just leave things on the pitch. there are one or two exceptions but not many. I think Paul Galvin & Tyrone have been the worst affected by this media outcry over the years.

The only real thing I've read about the alleged eye gouge has been on here. The papers mention it in passing but don't seem to be too riled up by it so the GAA are leaving well alone. Maybe if Kerry or the papers kicked up stink they'd look into it more but they don't seem to care otherwise.

Now you could argue that thats because Dublin own the meeja (!) but thats other days argument


(disclaimer: I think JC should have gotten a second yellow and also that there is nowhere near enough evidence to judge RO'C unless Gooch has something to say about it)

DNS1916 (Dublin) - Posts: 64 - 03/09/2013 14:05:50    1474077

(probably doesn't deserve one anyway after being roasted in the first half on Sunday and by Stephen Bray in the Leinster final)
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How did Bray do in the 2nd half?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 03/09/2013 14:05:58    1474078

jackeen

Buy the herald from now till all ireland day, plenty of articles about the dubs.

or why not listen to fm104.

saddam (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 03/09/2013 14:09:22    1474088

The GAA must realise that a lot of damage is being done to the Association's integrity, honesty and reputation. The extremely quick dismissal of the 'eye gouging' allegations and refusal to look at other incidents is opening the Association to allegations of massive favouritism towards Dublin and double standards of the worst kind. Perception is everything and it appears that there are definately two Associations and rules rules in operation. Tyrone, Donegal and to a lesser degree Kerry, especially Paul Galvin and Sean Cavanagh must feel very aggrieved at the way their reputions are continually tarnished while others, particularly Dublin players, come up smelling of roses all the time.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9823 - 03/09/2013 14:10:05    1474089

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1474035 "The Kerry County Board has declined to comment on the issue".

It was ever thus between Dublin and Kerry. What happens between the lines stays between the lines. Men of honour and respect.

IMO there is no honour or respect shown in letting an incident as disgraceful as apparent eye gouging go by without an investigation. I would say the more likely reason that Kerry are letting this go is that they are still hurting badly after the loss and want to close it off and move on without an investigation dragging the pain out further. The culprit invovled in the "alleged incident" has been let off and is free to do the same thing again. I appreciate the point made by many that a still picture alone does not prove anything as it is a point in time, however, I have yet to hear anyone give a plausible explanation as to what he ROC is doing if not gouging. Everyone can see the matter should be looked at further and it should not be up to Kerry to make that decision. Its a shocking example to set when no further action is being taken over something which would appear so blatent. If it turns out that there is a perfectly good explanation then everyone is happy, if not then justice can be done and the player in question can be reprimanded.

Royalio (Meath) - Posts: 17 - 03/09/2013 14:11:08    1474094

When will people realise that every team, including their own, is as dirty/cynical as the next and quit trying to excuse their own players/criticise others to the nth degree? There is so much self-serving bullshyte about manliness and leaving it on the pitch and he should be suspended/no place for it in our game (until I ignore my own county star for doing it). Every county is as good/bad as the other regardless of where they're from or how much they've won, or what they did in the past etc etc. Of the four semi-finalist for example, they are definitely all as dirty/cynical/tactical/defensive/attacking as each other from watching each of their games on their own merits. It's only when everyones tribal grudges kick in that differences/exceptions magically appear.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12440 - 03/09/2013 14:17:21    1474107

I have a lot of time for Dublin, and always have because they bring a lot to the GAA, but I cannot defend the indefensible anymore particularly after the extremely nasty, distasteful savaging Tyrone and Sean Cavanagh have taken this year. Dublin playera are conveniently getting off the hook despite some pretty clear and damning evidence time after time after time as opposed to Tyrone and Donegal players who are badmouthed and ripped apart for even the most minor of indescretions. It has left a large doubt hanging over the GAA's integrity and most people, Dublin fans apart, can see that. I know you are loyal fans but blind loyalty is not a good thing either.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9823 - 03/09/2013 14:28:28    1474117

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1474035 "The Kerry County Board has declined to comment on the issue".


IMO there is no honour or respect shown in letting an incident as disgraceful as apparent eye gouging go by without an investigation.

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Clearly you have absolutely no idea of what eye gouging is. My brother had an eye gouged playing club football. I mean a proper gouge, no glove involved, thumb in the eye. He had to be taken off and had blurred vision for the next couple of hours.

Apart from all of that, let's look at the "evidence" in the ROC incident. The gouger is not even looking at the victim's head for one. He has a digit over the eye area alright and there does not seem to be any depression, which is what eye gouging is, a depression of the top of a finger/thumb into the victims eyeball/socket. Now can you tell me conclusively from the evidence, and bearing in mind that neither the victim complained about the incident nor did he receive any medical attention for it as far as I know, that this is a stonewall case of eye gouging.

Jog on there lad!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 03/09/2013 14:36:42    1474132

Very sad to see Mayo posters wanting him suspended , I would love to see Cillian O Conor playing so it would be your best 15 against ours.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 03/09/2013 14:39:17    1474138

Breffni39, that is fair enough, but it is also true that some teams do it more than others. Not to the extremes some would have you believe, but in the same way some continental soccer teams dive more, some county gaa teams carry out more professional fouls. The argument that every team is exactly the same isnt fully accurate either.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 03/09/2013 14:46:54    1474151

Ulsterman, in fairness, if the incident with ROC was caught on camera he would probably get called up. I agree that he probably did it on purpose put in terms of punishment it is hard to act if all that is there is a still photo. Again with mcmahon, I believe he knew what he was at, but he done it in a way that makes it hard to act upon as he can say he didnt mean it - like conor gormley v monaghan actually. Both men knew what they were doing, but they disguised it enough to avoid certain guilt being cast on them. Cavanagh on the other hand was clearly as guilty as you can get and so open to criticism - from people either side of the border. He was defended by people either side of the border also - something you never seem to recall.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 03/09/2013 14:54:03    1474163