@jimbodub

Have to say, I do believe it was intentional from McMahon.
Honestly, I would prefer no player to ever miss a final due to suspension.
It does look to me that McMahon intentionally brought his left boot down to make contact with Gooch

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 216 - 02/09/2013 10:38:15    1472822

Just watched the Replay of "the kick". Ok it was well after the incident but its way to hard to tell if it was intentional or not. I don't think it was personally. If he is banned for this then he would be well within his rights to appeal and if it was overturned people couldn't have to many complaints. Arguments will go both ways on this. the Dubs will be saying its accidental and most other people will be saying he done it on Purpose. My opinion is accidental and i would say to anyone who thinks it was done purposely......Put one of your own players in Philly McMahons shoes and then see if you think he is still guilty. I don't

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 02/09/2013 10:48:35    1472836

What part of the game did the gouging incident occur? People could watch it back on the player and get a better idea.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/09/2013 10:48:42    1472838

Watched it and I honestly think it's 50/50... if anything his stoods hit the top I]of his head

These things happen... the greatest injury I got playing football was from an accidental knee to the face when I went into block a ball...

Maybe the lad meant to follow through on me and maybe he didn't... he said to me as I sat on the ground cradling my nose on the pitch that it was an accident and he wasn't sent off or even booked..

To call it a stamp or a kick in the head is a bit much... no?

Sure Cooper got up and took the free...

If anything Johnny should have got a second yellow...

But sure it was never a peno.. and we were ripped off a peno ourselves against Cork...

Swings and round abouts...but IMO Cooper should have got a second yellow

He wasn't near the ball...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 02/09/2013 10:50:41    1472840

Need to see this in real time. If its deliberately. Then ban. McMahon should be cited and let him answer the questions.
Something similar happened last year to Brian Menton and very little said about it. Eye touching needs to be treated at the highest end of the scale. But by no means should a still photo be used to convict. It may have been harmless enough in realtime.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/09/2013 10:53:29    1472843

Gooch was given some serious attention and obviously targeted for some nasty stuff.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 02/09/2013 10:55:05    1472844

I dont think that ROC's finger is in the goochs eye.

Thats a closed fist into the side of the face pushing down on him, and only above the knuckle on each finger is visable.
If it was an eye gouge the his finger is about 2 inches into coopers eye socket at that point, and theres no way cooper would have got up from it.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 02/09/2013 10:56:41    1472846

Jinxie
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1472846 I dont think that ROC's finger is in the goochs eye.

Thats a closed fist into the side of the face pushing down on him, and only above the knuckle on each finger is visable.
If it was an eye gouge the his finger is about 2 inches into coopers eye socket at that point, and theres no way cooper would have got up from it.
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Good point...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 02/09/2013 10:59:15    1472850

Jinxie, so basically, he struck him with his fist in the face... If he done that when gooch was standing up it would be a red card...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/09/2013 11:00:14    1472853

Just watched the McMahon / Gooch incident. In my opinion in was unintentional and unfortunate. Nothing should come of this.

The photo of the eye gauge looks damning but would definately need to see video before casting judgement.

Great game yesterday, really enjoyed it. There was some heavy hits which may have been borderline and some cynical stuff going on the whole game but that did in no way take away from the game and i feel rightly so that sort of stuff wasn't concentrated on by the media and i think it should not be concentrated on by fans either. It was a great game and lets enjoy it for what it was. I don't think there will be anybody complaining from either team about what went on.

I just wish all games where treated equally. Certain instances need brough to attention and condoned, like the Sean Cavanagh tackle but there is absolutely no need to go on and on about them, it is taking away from the game. Does anybody remember the great scores in the Tyrone Monahgan game, very few neutrals will remember them, and why, because of the sole concentration on negativity by the media. Yesterday was an example of the football pundits taking a leaf out of the hurling pundits book and it was refreshing. The hurling guys will pull someone up if they did wrong and that is it dealt with, they will then go on to analyse the game, that's the way it should be.

Yesterday was a joy to watch and i wish the 2 best teams in the country all the best for the final. Both teams can mix it with the heavy hits and tactical fouling but they play great football and i can't wait to see the final.

Sideline_View (Tyrone) - Posts: 62 - 02/09/2013 11:02:53    1472859

Jinxie
County: Meath
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1472846
I dont think that ROC's finger is in the goochs eye.

Thats a closed fist into the side of the face pushing down on him, and only above the knuckle on each finger is visable.
If it was an eye gouge the his finger is about 2 inches into coopers eye socket at that point, and theres no way cooper would have got up from it.


Yes and O'Carrolls middle finger would be two inches up Gooches nose. That's a website to avoid - anti gaelic football lies.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 02/09/2013 11:03:49    1472860

TheMaster
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1472853 Jinxie, so basically, he struck him with his fist in the face... If he done that when gooch was standing up it would be a red card...

Ah come on master...

You were also crowing on about Gormley... and he was rightly cleared to play.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 02/09/2013 11:05:08    1472862

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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1472853
Jinxie, so basically, he struck him with his fist in the face... If he done that when gooch was standing up it would be a red card...


Thats a completly seperate issue, and if thats what happened then deal with that on its own.

I was addressing the issue of eye gouging and I claimed that ROC looks to be pushing coopers face into the ground with a closed fist.

If you want to add in punch, standing up, red card or any other words that I didnt use, then please attribute them to your own comments, not mine.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 02/09/2013 11:08:06    1472867

The dogs bark and the caravan passes on.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 02/09/2013 11:09:54    1472868

I want to retract my post until I find out more. Maybe all is not what it seems! If ROC did what is alleged he deserves what is thrown at him but i'll just wait and see before saying anything further.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 02/09/2013 11:10:28    1472869

Has Anyone got the real time video Footage of the ROC incident??

chriscart580 (Meath) - Posts: 376 - 02/09/2013 11:14:28    1472879

Its interesting that the Moyo people are looking for Bans etc when they couldnt see any malice from their own players v Tyrone


however its interesting that there were howls of protest for a drag back by Canavan and Brolly was shushed when he tried to raise cynisism in this game

It was very entertaining, but the marking by Dublin for the goals was woeful especially the second. this is where you question the analysts on the Sunday game or RTE in general, they are unable, it woud appear, to make candid and objective assessments of games, its all hype and emotion.

If you compared that to say Newcastle under KK the MOTD commentry teams pointed out the naievity of the all out attack, the shootouts etc, but the panel here celebrate it. There is no Kudos or celebration of tactics or evolution its all poo pooed and hankering back to a bye gone age is de-rigour. From a defence point of view Dublin left their posts on many occasions, that's not good, Gooch's exploitation of that was good but kicking a ball to an unmarked man isnt as wonderful as the panel went on about.


Dont be so quick to Judge the players who battled hard and are now being analysed by clips of film, give the dublin players the same latitude as you gave the Mayo players and dont be as harsh as you were to the Tyrone players.

Its a tough game at times but yesterdays game wasnt one of those tough games it was loose and there were huge lapses in concentration and intensity, which then gave us the spectacle.

I agree with the posters who point out the attention that Galvin got for SFA in the past

Edenburt15 (Cavan) - Posts: 723 - 02/09/2013 11:17:21    1472884

I believe having being there and seen the match on telly, I believe it happened at 65:45 matchtime on RTE player on the sunday game live. Rory O Carroll attempted to run up field, and Gooch blocked him. They dragged each other and O Carroll then held Gooch down for a second. Behind O carroll in the picture are the Cusack stand dressing rooms and this I am 99 percent certain is when the incident happened. and I saw at the game O Carroll holding gooch down and afterwards complaining to the linesman about being blocked. If he gouged, he should miss the final. I am not sure if there is a video of this so O carroll might get lucky. It was not on the RTE live cameras, maybe they had other cameras that picked it up.

galwaydublin (Galway) - Posts: 226 - 02/09/2013 11:48:57    1472927

If find it interesting that someones first post is about this galwaydublin
Welcome to the board

NavyNBlue (Dublin) - Posts: 1357 - 02/09/2013 11:56:00    1472936

If someone gouges your eye you will know all about it! Did the Gooch have to go off? Did he lose his sight? Lot of nonsense. Just an excuse to attack Dublin.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 02/09/2013 11:57:25    1472938