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Limerick should do the decent thing

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traleeexile
County: Kerry
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1470081 Can somebody please confirm or otherwise is Limerick appeal successful does it mean there is no replay V Galway and they go straight to the Final? Was talking to someone close to the whole set up here and he is very confident that this will be the outcome.

If the Solicitors and Barristers making up the DRA rule that the score after 60 mins plus the alloted additional time is Lk17pts and GA 16pts I believe they would be duty bound to award the game to Limerick.

It is in the GAAs interest to wash their hands of this and pass the buck to the DRA as its too much of a minefield for the GAA,they have made a horses collar of the Hawkeye trial.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 28/08/2013 14:23:59    1470132

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ONdeDITCH
County: Limerick
Posts: 285

when will there be a final decision expected?

traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 28/08/2013 15:30:08    1470212

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ONdeDITCH
County: Limerick
Posts: 285

when will there be a final decision expected?

traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 28/08/2013 15:31:34    1470215

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Saw on twitter last night that it could be the weekend before the paperwork is submitted & case heard. But Twitter is not always correct. And I am not @slayer ......

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6490 - 28/08/2013 15:39:15    1470223

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ginandtonic
County: Limerick
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Look its time we moved on with this appeal, Limerick were beaten ok with the help of hawkeye but let that be it. We will be back next year better and stronger.

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At the end of the day you were beaten by the better team. Galway showed their true superiority in extra time.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1729 - 28/08/2013 17:10:03    1470356

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Maybe Galway should do the decent thing and give Limerick a replay.

4bythenore (Kilkenny) - Posts: 360 - 28/08/2013 20:22:57    1470516

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Nothing wrong with Limerick pursuing its appeal to the end. However, it is not a case of 'Galway doing the decent thing and offering a replay'. The decision is for the DRA at this stage - nobody else. Just like an innocent person ( so do not compare Thierry Henry or Meath v Louth) does not volunteer to go to prison until a judge sends him down, neither should Galway volunteer a replay. I would be surprised if the DRA said that Limerick won the match at the end of ordinary time as that would ignore the second match i.e. extra time which would be against the course of natural justice.

GoWestLiam (Galway) - Posts: 95 - 28/08/2013 20:44:20    1470536

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This was posted as a new thread but as the subject matter is the same it has been incorporated here,


sportsman
Posts: 38
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Why Limerick's appeal to the DRA will fail

The Limerick County Board, and indeed many supporters, seem very confident that their appeal to the DRA will succeed on the basis of 'natural justice'and the fact that the DRA is comprised of barristers and solicitors. Well natural justice works both ways and Galway cannot be ignored in all of this, and I am sorry to burst Limerick's bubble, but as far as natural justice is concerned, there are numerous reasons why Limerick have no case. (1) Hawkeye made a mistake, but the rules have not changed and the referee is in charge and he ultimately made the error in not awarding the point. An error just like Maurice Deegan made last week in giving Mayo a penalty. (2)When the keeper pucked out the ball after the 'point', Galway were on the attack and could have scored only for the referee to stop play. (3) When the ball was pucked out the second time, Limerick scored a point (clearly balancing out the one disallowed). (4) The referee knew that Limerick were denied a good point so when he saw that Galway were leading, he added on more time to the additional time, gave Limerick a very soft free, and so cancelled out his error in disallowing the point. (6) Limerick got 20 minutes extra time to win the game but in the end were well beaten by three points. They are now looking for a replay but they already got it as extra time is deemed to be a new game. (7) A replay now at this late stage would be very unfair on the Galway youngsters. While Limerick are supposedly training for a replay with Galway, Galway themselves are preparing for an All-Ireland Final against Waterford in just over a week's time. They would be on a hiding to nothing in a replay. (8) Galway supporters have already purchased tickets for the Final. (9) Very importantly, Limerick's appeal is nothing to do with what Galway did in the game, unlike the Meath v Louth Leinster Final when a Meath player threw the ball into the net in the last minute. Of course Louth got no replay. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a replay of a game that was completed and won.

Administrator (None) - Posts: 2275 - 29/08/2013 14:18:17    1470884

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In the interests of fairness, the 1998 All-Ireland Hurling semi-final between Clare and Offaly ended in mayhem as referee Jimmy Cooney ( a Galway man so I don't have completely maroon-tinted lenses) ended the game two minutes early. Clare had won by three points and Offaly fans staged a sit down protest on the pitch. The GAA took the decision [NOTE - not Clare offered] to stage a replay between the two teams. This was because there is a specific rule in the rulebook that says games must be 70 minutes. The result was reversed, with Offaly winning that match and going on to win the All-Ireland final.

GoWestLiam (Galway) - Posts: 95 - 29/08/2013 14:59:25    1470925

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Even if Galway offered a replay that does not mean that the GAA would grant it....am I right?

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1759 - 29/08/2013 15:59:05    1470984

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Firstly i'm disappointed that a fellow Galway poster started a thread of this nature.

Limerick are perfectly entitled to appeal this, ok as Mattie Murphy pointed out there was still 60 mins plus 20 mins of extra left to play so nobody can say for sure if Limerick would have had a point to spare at the end or not. What was done was wrong, Hawk eye was wrong and failed Limerick, after promises by the GAA it was the way forward and I think in the interest of fairness to these young lads the appeals process should be aloud extend as fas as Limerick wise.

I also see Galway's side of it. We have an All Ireland to prepare for at the moment and this is an unfair distraction to our young lads. Also I think that given the magnitude of the game ann the competition it simply cant be replayed.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 29/08/2013 17:20:49    1471027

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sportsman
Posts: 38
Galway

Why Limerick's appeal to the DRA will fail.

I'm sorry sportsman but the evidence proferred by you to support your case is irrelevant.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 29/08/2013 17:52:35    1471046

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crossfieldball

On the ball, great post.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6490 - 29/08/2013 18:01:26    1471052

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The referee did not know whether it was a score or not if he did he wouldn't have called for Hawkeye. Hawkeye produced an oxymoron "yes its in but it says its wide". A bemused ref gives the score if the referee said it was wide we wouldn't be here. This "unsafe" technology and the rules around its use needs to be tested in full. Otherwise this junk is going the way of the e-Voting machines.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4956 - 29/08/2013 18:49:24    1471080

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DRA meeting confirmed for Monday evening

Kenlim (Limerick) - Posts: 864 - 30/08/2013 18:21:33    1471641

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Disrespectful to the Galway minors at this stage, let them get on with their prep for the All Ireland final.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1729 - 30/08/2013 18:25:57    1471645

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They have to sort this issue out whatever the ruling. There needs to be a precedent for future potential mishaps. This wont go away. I dont care about getting the replay I just think there needs to be an answer given. I think if the minors had played to their potential than galway would have been no where near them. Its their own fault that they let galway beat them. If they do get a replay then Im all for it. If they dont at least the GAA will have a procedure to go through if this technoligical error strikes again

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 30/08/2013 18:37:09    1471651

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I would say Galway have not given a thought to Limericks appeal at all as they know it will be thrown out!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 30/08/2013 19:12:04    1471667

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Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
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Whats the story if it happens again this week? Last minute of the game, Dublin score a ''good'' point but some hawk eye fien turn the settings to hurling and it flashes wide? If kerry win in extra time will dublin have grounds for a replay?
Kerry will say no. GAA will not take responsibility........ Whats the story then
Kindest regards......... Oh wait this isn't an email so I wont bother sign off for the sake of it.........
Precedent must be set

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 30/08/2013 20:47:28    1471697

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Excellent post Freemantion

traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 30/08/2013 21:06:58    1471716

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