With their appeal now having failed twice, Limerick should now do the decent thing and withdraw their appeal. They know that there is no way they are going to get a replay. We were told that the reason for their appeal was because their players were 'traumatised', but have they given any thought at all to the Galway youngsters? They are preparing for an All-Ireland Final in less than two weeks with a cloud hanging over them through no fault of their own. While it was noble of Sean Kelly to support his near neighbours, it was bizarre of him to say that it was a technological error and not a mistake by the referee. Does this mean that the rules have changed and the referee is no longer the final arbitrator in a game? Also does this mean that one rule applies in Croke Park with Hawkeye and another in the rest of the venues around the country? At the end of the day the fact is, regardless of the circumstances, the error was made by the referee and not Hawkeye. He saw the ball go over the bar; flagged by the umpire; and also saw the ball going over the bar per Hawkeye. Despite the incorrect graphic, the referee should have awarded the point but he didn't. Limerick should also realise that when the ball was pucked out after the point, Galway were attacking when the referee stopped play. They could have scored. Then when the ball was pucked out the second time, Limerick went up and scored a point. Another question for Limerick to ponder. Suppose the situation was reversed. What if the referee ignored Hawkeye and awarded the point and the game finished level? According to Limerick logic, Galway could and should have appealed. That would hardly get very far and the same now applies to Limerick's appeal. The referee balanced out the disallowing of the point by giving Limerick a soft free in way above the added-on time, and then Limerick got their extra time which really was their replay.Apart from the fact that Limerick have no grounds in looking for a replay, it is now too late anyway. The Galway players are totally focused on Waterford, and Galway supporters have arranged for tickets, and accommodation in Dublin for the Final on Sunday week. So Limerick, please show some sportsmanship and respect to the young Galway players who deserve better.

147sportsman (Galway) - Posts: 44 - 27/08/2013 13:08:45    1469217

The trauma continues for those same Limerick minors the longer county board continue circus , let it go those same minors will get over it eventually if allowed to .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 27/08/2013 13:20:03    1469234

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One point:
Your post looks like a solid 'building block'....too big a bite! Punctuate it and make short paragraphs outlining your points. That way it becomes more enticing to read it and focus on the points you are making!

Regards,

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Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 27/08/2013 13:43:23    1469264

147sportsman

You are deliberately ignoring the main point. The referee allowed the play to restart before somebody whispered in his ear that Hawkeye should be consulted. Therefore, yes, the referee was no longer the final arbiter in that situation, and we need to find out why.

The first 2 appeals were always going to fail, but the last one is with the DRA, who have no vested GAA interests.

commercials1 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 27/08/2013 13:55:08    1469270

I don't agree with a lot of the original post, but yes, I do think now we should withdraw the appeal and allow Galway & Waterford prepare for the final.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6490 - 27/08/2013 14:06:30    1469281

I cant remember the year..having a stab at 2000. Jeez I am old.
The Cork football minors were playing an All Ireland semi against Galway i think.
A Cork midfielder got 2 yellows and was never sent off. He actually had an impact on the result and Cork winning. Cork wouldnt give a replay on that occasion and inmy opinion that was a much bigger case of having a replay than the Galway Limerick game.

That point was the first score of the game and had no real major imapct on the outcome.

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 27/08/2013 17:15:33    1469511

We already got a replay in the form of extra time. The Limerick County Board seem to love appealing things lately like the the status of the hurling league. In this instance we should take our beating and move on and wish Galway akk the best in the final.

07_LK_1973 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 27/08/2013 17:34:04    1469534

Still think Limerick have to press ahead and exhaust this process and expose what utter tripe the GAA rules and regulations are governing the use of this technology. It might not earn them a replay but at least we wont have to get too embarressed when these rules are brought out every time the damn thing reboots. Come on GAA sort this rubbish out.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4956 - 27/08/2013 18:18:49    1469582

we are right to pursue this if it were any other county they would do the same.

Kenlim (Limerick) - Posts: 864 - 27/08/2013 18:25:34    1469589

county board always knew this would go all the way to the DRA/ this is where they feel they will win out the case. The DRA will assess the legality of hawk eye under general law Vs GAA rules

Kenlim (Limerick) - Posts: 864 - 27/08/2013 18:26:29    1469590

Ya it was always going to go to DRA from the start limerick co board said that but had to go this route to get their the DRA could do anything from letting it be or having a replay or even worse giving match to limerick. most limerick fans Dont want co board to go ahead with it but they have limerick minors training away all the time and feel DRA will go with replay which means they be no minor final on all ire final day which is not fair.I think what limerick should do is to get the gaa to get rid of hawk eye fit their own cameras around pitch and have a few people watching the screens just like ruby and they will def be no mistakes then and for get about getting a replay

oll (Limerick) - Posts: 693 - 27/08/2013 19:04:04    1469612

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of bringing this case to an appeal if people are going to comment on this case then please have the facts correct, it's been reported that Limerick have twice failed with appeals under the GAA disciplinary process.

What has not been widely covered is how Limerick have supposedly failed, both the CCCC and CAC refused to hear Limerick's appeal so as of yet Limerick have not put their case to anyone. With both GAA bodies refusing to hear the case the way is now clear for the DRA to hear the case and rule on the matter.

So regardless of the merits of bringing this case, neither GAA body thought it fair to even give Limerick a hearing, that's GAA justice for you, see no evil hear no evil how is that fair on any team ?

It shall be interesting to read the DRA's verdict and Limerick will be entitled to call all sorts of witnesses at the DRA, what people don't realise is the DRA is an entirely different type of hearing and we shall see if the DRA take the view that natural justice has been breached.

The question for the DRA will be who over ruled the match referee and his umpire and did they have the power to do so ? Forget right or wrong the DRA will be looking at it from the legal perspective and regardless of the outcome of the appeal the DRA's written verdict shall make very interesting reading as regards the use of hawkeye in the future.

exile (Limerick) - Posts: 214 - 27/08/2013 21:31:29    1469714

I want a replay of the 2010 semi-final and the 2011 quarter final if this appeal is successful. Yes, the circumstances are unique but the referee did not award the score and that is that I'm afraid. Everyone has sympathy for Limerick but we would never finish any competition if this appeal was successful. They should withdraw their appeal.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 27/08/2013 21:40:13    1469728

Why bother with any appeals process so doublehop?

commercials1 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 27/08/2013 21:48:37    1469741

There should no appeals process around a disputed score. Playing an extra man, extra sub, ineligible player, getting a suspension overturned - fair enough these can be accommodated because the opposing team themselves are at fault or they deal with an individual player's availability to play in future games. But getting a replay because of a disputed score whatever the circumstances cannot happen. The rulebook is clear and for very good reason.

What generally happens is that after a case like this the team on the wrong end receive a lot of sympathy and overstretch their hand. When the dust settles on this Limerick will feel a bit silly in being so zealous in chasing this up.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 28/08/2013 08:36:05    1469768

Why should they have to appeal in the first place? Seriously. Croke Park were all well and happy to announce Hawkeye as the way forward. When that didn't work correctly, either malfunctioning or cos theu set it for football readings it may have cost the Limerick lads the game. The ref did himself no justice but Hawkeye was the main cause of this. Surely the GAA have some insurance in case of Hawkeye messing up? Even if they aren't they can surely stretch to a few hotel rooms if Galway need to change their plans. Arguing what if and possible scores after Hawkeye is pointless, intentional pun!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8171 - 28/08/2013 09:27:58    1469786

Doublehop, is there any mention of Hawkeye in the rulebook? Serious question. You're right, can't blame a ref, linesman, umpire for humam error, but w
You'd expect the Hawk to be more reliable?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8171 - 28/08/2013 09:32:21    1469790

The system is only as good as the person that sets it up. I'm not going to get in to techie management waffle here (I come on here to get away from that) but the system didn't malfunction, the person who set it up did, human error. If Limerick want to lodge a complaint about that individual or the company he/she is contracted to or works for then who could blame them? But seeking to overturn the result is way over the mark.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 28/08/2013 10:09:08    1469818

Can somebody please confirm or otherwise is Limerick appeal successful does it mean there is no replay V Galway and they go straight to the Final? Was talking to someone close to the whole set up here and he is very confident that this will be the outcome.

traleeexile (Kerry) - Posts: 732 - 28/08/2013 13:30:14    1470081

Look its time we moved on with this appeal, Limerick were beaten ok with the help of hawkeye but let that be it. We will be back next year better and stronger.

ginandtonic (Limerick) - Posts: 6 - 28/08/2013 14:04:11    1470113