hill16no1man
in that case learning english should be a choice and not have kids forced to learn ridiculous english poetry in school which they will never usesee below to my reply to Htaem's post. didn't need to post same thing twice
25/08/2013 13:07:45
Htaem
But we speak English as a first language hill, if you didn't learn english then there'd be a pretty good chance that you'd be illiterate and therefore unable to contribute anything to websites like HS.

We could make poetry optional alright, can't personally see why it's so important. poetry is important as it teaches people about language awareness and can help increase a pupils oral and written vocabularies. Reading and writing poetry also helps students to become more aware of the ways in which language can be used and the rhythms, images and meanings that can be created.
students who study poetry in the classroom increase their skills of critical analysis. Poems use a variety of techniques -- metaphor, imagery, rhyme and meter -- to convey meaning. Picking out these techniques and thinking about how they function in the poem help students to develop their analytic and critical skills. Poems can also have multiple layers of meaning that readers must analyze carefully to understand.
Poetry in the classroom helps students to connect to others. Poetry encourages students to view the complexities of the world in new ways and to develop empathy and understanding for other points of view.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/08/2013 21:49:33    1468035

Ormond,
Think your in the wrong classroom.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 25/08/2013 21:54:16    1468042

Why not?

07_LK_1973 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 25/08/2013 21:55:26    1468044

25/08/2013 21:54:16
AthCliath
Ormond,
Think your in the wrong classroom whats wrong with what ive just posted? If you have something to discuss on my above post then talk about that rather than try dismiss me with a nothing statement as what I posted above was clear to see.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 25/08/2013 21:58:59    1468056

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 5503

We could make poetry optional alright, can't personally see why it's so important. poetry is important as it teaches people about language awareness and can help increase a pupils oral and written vocabularies. Reading and writing poetry also helps students to become more aware of the ways in which language can be used and the rhythms, images and meanings that can be created.
students who study poetry in the classroom increase their skills of critical analysis. Poems use a variety of techniques -- metaphor, imagery, rhyme and meter -- to convey meaning. Picking out these techniques and thinking about how they function in the poem help students to develop their analytic and critical skills. Poems can also have multiple layers of meaning that readers must analyze carefully to understand.
Poetry in the classroom helps students to connect to others. Poetry encourages students to view the complexities of the world in new ways and to develop empathy and understanding for other points of view.

That's a nice copy and paste job right there ormy, I'll give you that much.

I'd agree there's plenty of positives to be taken from reading and learning poetry.

There was a poster who logged on late at night,
desperately trying to prove he was always right.
Coming from somewhere in Clare,
his self-righteousness polluted the air.
But the rest of us all knew he talked s***e.

Even haiku's are pretty easy if you give it a go;

Very few fluent,
for minor commentary,
no more RTE.

Come on hill16no1man and Htaem, can you not see how intersting and fun poetry can be?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 26/08/2013 09:04:07    1468086

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 5503

1468056 25/08/2013 21:54:16
AthCliath
Ormond,
If you have something to discuss on my above post then talk about that rather than try dismiss me with a nothing statement as what I posted above was clear to see.

This is a forum about Gaa , not the pros and cons of poetry ,ive nothing to discuss about that piece if I did id discuss it with the person who actually wrote it,

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 26/08/2013 12:05:52    1468288

I was watching the highlights of the Minor Match on The Sunday Game and there was one thing I did not like in Garry MacDonnacha's Commentary.

The use of the word 'Pointe' instead of 'Cúilin' every time a point is scored. But then he also said 'Scór' a lot as well.

And yes I am 100% for Irish Language commentary in Minor Matches.

Covie.in.D7 (Mayo) - Posts: 164 - 26/08/2013 21:43:54    1468948

26/08/2013 09:04:07
if_in_doubt
That's a nice copy and paste job right there ormy, I'll give you that much.

I'd agree there's plenty of positives to be taken from reading and learning poetry.

There was a poster who logged on late at night,
desperately trying to prove he was always right.
Coming from somewhere in Clare,
his self-righteousness polluted the air.
But the rest of us all knew he talked s***e.

Even haiku's are pretty easy if you give it a go;

Very few fluent,
for minor commentary,
no more RTE.

Come on hill16no1man and Htaem, can you not see how intersting and fun poetry can be?
No copy and paste job always in doubt
That's something I remembered from my schooldays.

26/08/2013 12:05:52
AthCliath
This is a forum about Gaa , not the pros and cons of poetry ,ive nothing to discuss about that piece if I did id discuss it with the person who actually wrote it, it is but the discussion on irish and commentary is related to the GAA and the poetry was again related to the discussion that was ongoing and if you were to discuss the piece no you wouldn't have to discuss the piece with the author. Have you ever heard of critical analysis??

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/08/2013 21:53:17    1468962

ormand,

You constantly make a little list of posts during the day, and then proceed to try and explain why they are always wrong.
then like the poetry episode go off on a tangent about something that has nothing to do with the topic and then try and justify it by saying its a correct analogy.
Post about football or hurling , be pro active not reactive all the time.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 26/08/2013 22:03:21    1468977

It is a bit awker to go to a house to watch the game and you have to ask them to turn down the sound and turn up the wireless, if the have no interest in football is is very difficult and then the arrival of every car to the stret causes the white sheet to be pulled over in case it is the TV man from OFFIG AN pHOIST

tomsmith (Cavan) - Posts: 4100 - 27/08/2013 09:13:27    1469014

TV man working on a Sunday??? Surely not Tom!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 27/08/2013 09:44:16    1469030

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 5528

No copy and paste job always in doubt
That's something I remembered from my schooldays.

Come on now Ormonde, are you really telling me that this;

poetry is important as it teaches people about language awareness and can help increase a pupils oral and written vocabularies. Reading and writing poetry also helps students to become more aware of the ways in which language can be used and the rhythms, images and meanings that can be created.
students who study poetry in the classroom increase their skills of critical analysis. Poems use a variety of techniques -- metaphor, imagery, rhyme and meter -- to convey meaning. Picking out these techniques and thinking about how they function in the poem help students to develop their analytic and critical skills. Poems can also have multiple layers of meaning that readers must analyze carefully to understand.
Poetry in the classroom helps students to connect to others. Poetry encourages students to view the complexities of the world in new ways and to develop empathy and understanding for other points of view.

Is remembered word for word from your schooldays?

I know you copy and pasted it from another website, and more importantly you know you did it too, we'll all have more respect for you if you just admit it now.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 27/08/2013 11:48:08    1469135

Always been a bugbear with me. RTE is a public service broadcaster and should not be politically or culturally discriminatory.
Especially now that there is a station TG4 specifically for the Irish language.
It just seems that the language is being nodded to and patted on the head - an important occasion but not that important - if they really wanted they could do the senior game in Irish.
Another example of the various alternative universes which populate modern Ireland today.


My original post was to highlight some of the dichotomies which exist in Ireland today and was aimed at RTE rather than the GAA.
It seems to me that if RTE is to be a neutral broadcaster then it should reflect the country as it is rather than it wishes that country to be.
It just smacks of De Valera's dancing at the crossroads type of view, top down imposition of culture, and a gesture to the language rather than a promotion of it.
I know that some people have a view of how we should act and behave in our daily lives and they might even believe that their own myopic views should take precedence over others but those days,I hope,have gone.

Of course we should cherish the Irish Language but imposition is wrong and counter productive, I believe

My apologies if I have offended anyone and I will now hibernate whilst more opprobrium reigns down on my head

lamhliathroid1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 25 - 27/08/2013 12:18:47    1469164

Give it up Ormond, noone like a tryhard

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12490 - 27/08/2013 12:27:27    1469169

"TV man working on a Sunday??? Surely not Tom!"

They never take a day off in Cavan! ;)

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 27/08/2013 14:45:22    1469330

26/08/2013 22:03:21
AthCliath
ormand,
You constantly make a little list of posts during the day, and then proceed to try and explain why they are always wrong.
then like the poetry episode go off on a tangent about something that has nothing to do with the topic and then try and justify it by saying its a correct analogy.
Post about football or hurling , be pro active not reactive all the time.
Don't have the arrogance to attack my style of posting when you don't have the decency to spell my username correctly/
Not off on a tangent. Was making a point that you clearly are incapable of understanding by your reaction to the post. the post was in line with discussion at the time so was relevant.
27/08/2013 11:48:08
if_in_doubt
Come on now Ormonde, are you really telling me that this
Is remembered word for word from your schooldays?

I know you copy and pasted it from another website, and more importantly you know you did it too, we'll all have more respect for you if you just admit it now. I do remember that from school(only 4 years since my LC) and if you are so sure I c&p'd it then prove it

27/08/2013 12:18:47
lamhliathroid1
Always been a bugbear with me. RTE is a public service broadcaster and should not be politically or culturally discriminatory.
Especially now that there is a station TG4 specifically for the Irish language.
It just seems that the language is being nodded to and patted on the head - an important occasion but not that important - if they really wanted they could do the senior game in Irish.
Another example of the various alternative universes which populate modern Ireland today.
My original post was to highlight some of the dichotomies which exist in Ireland today and was aimed at RTE rather than the GAA.
It seems to me that if RTE is to be a neutral broadcaster then it should reflect the country as it is rather than it wishes that country to be.
It just smacks of De Valera's dancing at the crossroads type of view, top down imposition of culture, and a gesture to the language rather than a promotion of it.
I know that some people have a view of how we should act and behave in our daily lives and they might even believe that their own myopic views should take precedence over others but those days,I hope,have gone.
Of course we should cherish the Irish Language but imposition is wrong and counter productive, I believe
My apologies if I have offended anyone and I will now hibernate whilst more opprobrium reigns down on my head
How is RTE showing the native tongue being culturally or politically discrimitory?

27/08/2013 12:27:27
Breffni39
Give it up Ormond, noone like a tryhard give what up??

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 27/08/2013 15:14:50    1469366

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 5538
How is RTE showing the native tongue being culturally or politically discrimitory?

Ever heard of positive discrimination?

lamhliathroid1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 25 - 27/08/2013 15:52:34    1469420

Yes it's just amazing that the national broadcaster would occasionally broadcast programs in the constitutionally recognised national and first official language of the country isn't?

AnDunLug (Down) - Posts: 14 - 27/08/2013 19:16:50    1469623

ormondbannerman
County: Clare
Posts: 5542

I do remember that from school(only 4 years since my LC) and if you are so sure I c&p'd it then prove it

First of all Ormo I admire your dedication, even when knowingly in the wrong.

Secondly, unless I'm mistaken, the following which you posted and claimed as your own;

"poetry is important as it teaches people about language awareness and can help increase a pupils oral and written vocabularies. Reading and writing poetry also helps students to become more aware of the ways in which language can be used and the rhythms, images and meanings that can be created.
students who study poetry in the classroom increase their skills of critical analysis. Poems use a variety of techniques -- metaphor, imagery, rhyme and meter -- to convey meaning. Picking out these techniques and thinking about how they function in the poem help students to develop their analytic and critical skills. Poems can also have multiple layers of meaning that readers must analyze carefully to understand.
Poetry in the classroom helps students to connect to others. Poetry encourages students to view the complexities of the world in new ways and to develop empathy and understanding for other points of view".

Bears a striking resemblance to the contents of this piece.

The Importance of Poetry in Education for Middle & High School Students

Now of course it is possible you went to same school as the author, wherever in Oregon that may have been...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3692 - 27/08/2013 19:24:39    1469629

If In Doubt

Brilliant detective work. You have lifted the veil on this charlatan.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 27/08/2013 20:53:42    1469684