marlon jd

thats exactly my point they will commend others for speaking their own language but in ireland it is termed uncool to do the same

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/08/2013 17:42:45    1465975

Crinigan
County: Meath
Posts: 11

1465966
Lads, you learn Irish since you were 4/5 years old until 17/18/19.

If you can't speak it or even understand a bit of commentary, then you are just plain thick.



If you fail Irish and acquire an A+ in higher grade maths, does this also mean you're just plain thick?

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8818 - 22/08/2013 17:54:48    1465990

keeper7
TheMaster,
These are Gaelic games, unique to Ireland & intrinsically linked to our heritage (language, music, culture & history). Soccer & rugby may have originated in England but they are not uniquely English/British,

How is a game invented in ireland linked to music and language, yet one invented in england isnt? They are both games invented long ago. no more no less. you dont need to speak a language to play them, you dont have to be from a certain place to play them - English people play gaa, are you not aware of that? They couldnt speak irish if it hit them in the face, and fair play to them, that is how it should be. Games are a great leveller, there are no pre-conceived notions involved. This extra stuff that we try to attach has in all honesty, absolutely nothing to do with the game. It is the equivalent of the english linking the royals to soccer, hence my point.

Ormond, again you just dress up the like it or lump it philosophy...

Again I point out, this isnt some fella who cant understand it. I would say I understand the language better than most on here. I just dont see the connection between a language and a game.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 17:55:01    1465991

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 8360

Again I point out, this isnt some fella who cant understand it. I would say I understand the language better than most on here. I just dont see the connection between a language and a game.


It's more than a 'Game' TheMaster - you'll find that out on sunday!!

LeonOhAodhagain (Tyrone) - Posts: 4 - 22/08/2013 18:04:55    1465997

TheMaster,
There's plenty of examples of foreigners coming here & learning to speak Irish. Fair play if they our games too. I've met Europeans who can't understand why we can't or don't want to speak our own language when many of them resisted & fought to keep theirs. Do some travelling sometime & you may yet appreciate where that notion.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/08/2013 18:27:39    1466010

the master and co
if tom hanks can follow the hurling semi final as gaeilge and delay his flight to see it i dont see how anybody on here cannot follow it when we know the game inside out

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/08/2013 18:39:32    1466017

Run Forrest run :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8818 - 22/08/2013 18:50:07    1466027

Laziness is the main reason we don't speak our own language. Anyone who has a problem with the commentary on our national game being broadcast on our national tv channel in our own language really needs a good kick in the rear end.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 22/08/2013 19:00:19    1466034

22/08/2013 17:55:01
TheMaster
How is a game invented in ireland linked to music and language, yet one invented in england isnt? They are both games invented long ago. no more no less. you dont need to speak a language to play them, you dont have to be from a certain place to play them - English people play gaa, are you not aware of that? They couldnt speak irish if it hit them in the face, and fair play to them, that is how it should be. Games are a great leveller, there are no pre-conceived notions involved. This extra stuff that we try to attach has in all honesty, absolutely nothing to do with the game. It is the equivalent of the english linking the royals to soccer, hence my point.

Ormond, again you just dress up the like it or lump it philosophy...

Again I point out, this isnt some fella who cant understand it. I would say I understand the language better than most on here. I just dont see the connection between a language and a game.
Not dressing anything up and it is you who is doing all the dressing up.
The Gaelic Athletic Association is more than just a sporting organisation and is as much a cultural organisation as sporting so there is the link to music and language. Scor is an invaluable part of the GAA so the music etc does have plenty to do with the game

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/08/2013 19:19:56    1466047

Goddamn, SCOR huh, I remember it well, competing, and then there was those beautiful cosy ceile nights on a Monday. Summers spent in the one of our Gaelteachts where the battle of puberty V culture/gaelige took place, the hormones always won lol.

Still get nightmares from those days!!!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8818 - 22/08/2013 19:46:59    1466063

arnowl94
County: Galway
Posts: 1799

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Laziness is the main reason we don't speak our own language. Anyone who has a problem with the commentary on our national game being broadcast on our national tv channel in our own language really needs a good kick in the rear end.

While i support the Irish language the above isn't correct imo. The main reason why we don't all speak Irish is simple. Its because we don't have to! If the Irish govt took the language seriously primary education would be thought through the medium of Irish. Only then would a bi-lingual project work. However there is no getting away from the idea that it would be difficult for the 1st generation to do so. The problem for the Irish language is that most of us have lost it, and once that happens its very difficult to get it back!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 22/08/2013 19:58:38    1466071

Hope they keep Gaeilge in the minor commentary. Also when they get used to Hawkeye they can use "Suil an t-iolar" for the minor matches in 2014....."Tir gan teanga, tir gan anam" MacPiarais?

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1764 - 22/08/2013 20:04:00    1466078

Douglas de hÍde, creidhim.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/08/2013 20:21:59    1466088

I don't see why anyone would have that big a deal over it even if they cannot understand the commentary. Everyone who attends a match does so without a live running commentary.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 22/08/2013 21:15:41    1466123

keeper7
TheMaster,
There's plenty of examples of foreigners coming here & learning to speak Irish. Fair play if they our games too. I've met Europeans who can't understand why we can't or don't want to speak our own language when many of them resisted & fought to keep theirs. Do some travelling sometime & you may yet appreciate where that notion.

Ha, you must be kidding. The great enlightened because you went to a full moon party in thailand is it? Listen, the whole thing seems to be going over your head. If foreigners want to learn irish, fair play to them. That doesnt change the fact that the majority in the country speak english, therefore they should be able to watch the games in english. Some german lad you met who doesnt understand that, doesnt really make a difference. Majority shouldnt be ignored, case closed. Personally, I speak irish well, but the majority shouldnt be ignored, regardless.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/08/2013 09:55:23    1466210

Barnowl94
Laziness is the main reason we don't speak our own language. Anyone who has a problem with the commentary on our national game being broadcast on our national tv channel in our own language really needs a good kick in the rear end.

No it isnt. I can speak it, but it makes no sense to do so. If we were speaking irish, how many of you would have a job? If the language on our national broadcaster is supposed to be irish, then why isnt it? I have no issue with it being in irish, just as long as they cater to the majority also. Simple as that.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/08/2013 10:01:50    1466213

Master,

you fail to see the bigger picture..so there is no use anyone arguing with you. maybe some day you will wake up.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 23/08/2013 11:13:34    1466271

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 8371

No it isnt. I can speak it, but it makes no sense to do so. If we were speaking irish, how many of you would have a job? If the language on our national broadcaster is supposed to be irish, then why isnt it? I have no issue with it being in irish, just as long as they cater to the majority also. Simple as that.

Never underestimate the power of an Irishman to put his culture down. The phrase "as english as the english themselves" springs to mind.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 23/08/2013 11:18:04    1466275

The Master, if you went to school in this state for 10-13 years you would have no problem picking up the commentary after a while. Have you forgotten everything else you learned in school?

It really is a mental blockage on the part of many that convinces them they can't understand Irish or could never learn it. Even the stupidest person is taught to read and write English and understand basic maths.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 23/08/2013 11:28:56    1466287

Let's look at the Dutch, who had a large influence in how Ireland remained a British colony, resulting in our language and culture being systematically taken apart. The Dutch speak their own language for their day to day, but most people over there speak perfect English. Most of them speak German as well, despite having suffered at their hands during WW2.

In a roundabout way, I'm pointing out that another small country with a population similar to ours can retain it's own language, and speak the language of their neighbours almost perfectly.

RTE is our national broadcaster, and there should be no issue with them commentating in our national language. TG4 have done great work in keeping the language alive, and also deserve huge credit for their coverage of National League, Club Championships, Ladies Football & Camogie as Gaeilge.

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 23/08/2013 11:56:39    1466322