Think you're heading up a cul de sac there Master, I don't speak Irish myself but watching the minor game in Irish is hardly an inconvenience and least of all a cultural smack in the face either. Leave well alone I say.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 22/08/2013 16:03:53    1465888

The minor commentary is in Irish because its our National Language. The Senior game should be aswell.

Mayoforever (Mayo) - Posts: 142 - 22/08/2013 16:13:27    1465899

"have you ever heard of anyone referring to belmullet in its irish name? So how the hell is someone on holidays going to know what it is on the sign?"

That's a separate issue altogether (even though I agree with your point. Same with an Daingean/Dingle).

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/08/2013 16:19:21    1465907

Mayoforever
County: Mayo
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1465899
The minor commentary is in Irish because its our National Language. The Senior game should be aswell.

Why? Then the vast majority of people watching wouldn't be able to comprehend what was being said!!????

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8818 - 22/08/2013 16:28:28    1465915

Mayoforever, why arent you posting in irish then? Your post underlines exactly the relationship we have with irish - talk a good game but do it in english... You are only kidding yourself.

Brend. As I pointed out earlier, would you be happy singing god save the queen before watching a soccer match? It is total nonsense that there is a supposed connection between a sport and a language, and saying 'leave well alone' doesnt change that.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 16:31:23    1465920

how in the name of God could you not like or have respect for your own native language!

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 22/08/2013 16:32:55    1465923

keeper7, it is an example of our actual relationship with the language - very distant. Also it was a response to a specific point mesamis made.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 16:33:04    1465925

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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But you can speak it if you like - however, you dont have to speak it to take pride in having it, that is my point. What you are saying is like saying we all have to win the 5000 metres to be proud of sonia o'sullivan doing it. Why is this elitism coming into it? I have no issue with people speaking it, but there is no rule that you have to speak it. Again, I point out, I speak it quite well, but I do not buy into this idea that you have to speak it and if you dont then tough. There is no rule that states you have to speak it when playing gaa, therefore there is no rule that you have to speak it when watching gaa. Either make allowances for both or just put on english, that is the way it should be.

If there was a prize for the worst possible analogy or example to explain a point, then you would win with this guff. Terrible, terrible, terrible.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 22/08/2013 16:33:09    1465926

The Master

You still haven't explained why it is being rammed down our throats though. Does that mean that English is being rammed down our throats when the commentary is in English.

What harm is it doing to have it as Gaeilge?

Signage in Gaeltacht areas or for Gaeltacht areas in Irish seems to annoy a lot of people for some reason. Partly as you pointed out the boundary areas are ridiculously large, most of the Mayo Gaeltacht for example. However the point stands that if most people speak Irish in the area what harm is it in having the signs in Irish? Are there people still wandering around Conamara, Corca Dhuibhne and Gaoth Dobhair lost because they can't find their way out?

Some people like to complain about anything, others love to complain about the Irish language ad nauseum.

Commentary in Irish is doing no harm and it is a nice tradition that many seem to like, judging by the responces on this thread, so why change it becasue some people, inexplicably, seem unable to watch a match on TV if they don't understand every single word?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13839 - 22/08/2013 16:33:26    1465927

bennybunny, explain why you have to speak irish to take pride in our nation having a language? I see that very much like someone saying 'you cant support sonia o'sullivan because you never ran the race in your life'. It is elitism.

mesamis - it is the will of the minority being forced on the majority. They have no choice. If there was an option then fine by me, do the lot in irish if you like. However, if there is to be only one on offer then it should be to suit the majority. What part of that is not correct?

You are spoofing as regards the people of the mayo gaeltacht speaking irish. They dont. Also, the signage happens to annoy the people from the gaeltacht area, again the fact that you seemed to think it was outsiders who are finding fault shows you are again spoofing on this point. It was actually a local counciller in that area was the most vocal of people against the signage.


Commentary in Irish is doing no harm and it is a nice tradition that many seem to like, judging by the responces on this thread, so why change it becasue some people, inexplicably, seem unable to watch a match on TV if they don't understand every single word?

Fine - do it in english then. If some people have to do without then it should be the minority.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 16:45:03    1465933

we have to be the only country in the world who have people complaining of our own language being used!!!
its amazing,how much people are so ignorant yet these same people would say its great to hear the french or spanish being passionate about their languages

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/08/2013 16:50:55    1465939

: Re: Commentary of minor games in Irish: I just wonder what kind of schools did these people go to that they can't understand a simple game of football in Irish. They must be pretty poor! I do have a suggestion for those that want English only in the minor football games. At least 600% of the words we are using in what we call English are Latin. Take all the Latin words away. Then remove the remaining Greek words and we are left with very little. As a former High School Mathematics teacher, I don't know what could be taught in that discipline if we removed the Latin and Greek words. Finally, stop using the Latin alphabet and since there is no English alphabet, those who hate listening to Gaelic will have a tough time with what is left. What can they complain about then? Grow up and learn a bit of Gaelic. Regards, Harry Dunleavy, Augusta, NJ, USA.

Dunleavy (USA) - Posts: 2 - 22/08/2013 17:05:43    1465947

Dunleavy, the irish language has a very similar history does it not? Only it takes some words from english also...
Also I find your point about schools a bit foolish. The same argument stands for french does it not? Stick to the maths mate...

hill, there is nothing ignorant about what I am saying, it is actually based on a far more reasoned and logical foundation that what you are saying...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 17:15:26    1465954

Dunleavy
County: USA
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1465947
: Re: Commentary of minor games in Irish: I just wonder what kind of schools did these people go to that they can't understand a simple game of football in Irish. They must be pretty poor! I do have a suggestion for those that want English only in the minor football games. At least 600% of the words we are using in what we call English are Latin. Take all the Latin words away. Then remove the remaining Greek words and we are left with very little. As a former High School Mathematics teacher, I don't know what could be taught in that discipline if we removed the Latin and Greek words. Finally, stop using the Latin alphabet and since there is no English alphabet, those who hate listening to Gaelic will have a tough time with what is left. What can they complain about then? Grow up and learn a bit of Gaelic. Regards, Harry Dunleavy, Augusta, NJ, USA.

That's some amount of waffle, 600% eh, do the Math different over there or are we talking about compound interest? I for one never said I hate the language, and however the 'queen's' English was put together is irrelevant, it's the tongue that the VAST majority speak and understand. As for growing up? Do me a favour!!!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8818 - 22/08/2013 17:20:03    1465957

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
we have to be the only country in the world who have people complaining of our own language being used!!!
its amazing,how much people are so ignorant yet these same people would say its great to hear the french or spanish being passionate about their languages

I'm not so sure about that. Typically, from my experience at least, people who have an issue with the Irish language tend to be uncomfortable around any non-english speakers. Maybe its a fear of the concept of ethnicity, maybe its a fear or their own ethnicity (or being considered 'ethnic'), I've never been sure. For me, going out into the big bad world, living with non english speakers, being in places with strong cultures, it only made me more sad that we don't speak our own language more, that I don't speak it more. So I would have though that if someone appreciated how other countries were passionate about preserving their own languages, they'd be passionate about speaking their own.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 22/08/2013 17:20:42    1465958

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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1465939
we have to be the only country in the world who have people complaining of our own language being used!!!
its amazing,how much people are so ignorant yet these same people would say its great to hear the french or spanish being passionate about their languages

Totally agree Hill , one of the great shames I have is not being fluent , partly because as far back as I know no one Im related to has ever spoken native tongue , I have had my kids in gaelthecht for last two years and am very proud as to how they find language so easy to speak , as a kid the minor final drove me potty , as an adult I enjoy it as a part of tradition .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 22/08/2013 17:22:34    1465959

Maith an fear, Harry, well put!

TheMaster,

These are Gaelic games, unique to Ireland & intrinsically linked to our heritage (language, music, culture & history). Soccer & rugby may have originated in England but they are not uniquely English/British, therefore no need to sing GSTQ before a match of either. Your point is totally irrelevant but carry on anyway!

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/08/2013 17:22:57    1465961

Read the part of my post regarding the Mayo Gaeltacht again there lad and you'll see my spoofing was in agreement with you! The problem with the signage issue is that encompasses all Gaeltacht areas, many of which aren't Irish speaking anymore, instead of those areas that are still Irish speaking. I don't think many people could have a problem with areas that are Irish speaking having their signage in their language. Although I'm sure some do.

Are the majority of people really against the small use of Irish in Championship coverage? From what I can see it is only a few who can't seem to understand games of hurling and football unless they are accompanied by English commentary who are dead set against it.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13839 - 22/08/2013 17:24:35    1465964

Lads, you learn Irish since you were 4/5 years old until 17/18/19.

If you can't speak it or even understand a bit of commentary, then you are just plain thick.

Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1352 - 22/08/2013 17:31:10    1465966

22/08/2013 15:24:38
TheMaster
But that isnt promoting the language, that is forcing the language. Also, why do people need to be able to speak a language in order to follow a sport?
Again, the method is wrong, they are forcing it, not promoting it. People have no choice. Id have no issue with a choice of language, which should be possible now with the digital change-over.
What link? Do brazilians have to speak in english when they play soccer? There is no link between sport and language.
So basically, either watch it is irish or make-do without sound - I would be embarassed if that was the attitude towards the minority, nevermind the majority. Isnt that a nice way of saying like it or lump it? I fail to see how people would have any other reasonable option than listen to the irish commentary, therefore it clearly is being forced onto us.
By having commentary of the minor game in irish is forcing the language on anybody. You don't have to listen to the commentary to watch the game so language is not forced on anyone. The irish language is being promoted. People wh rarely or never hear spoken irish get to hear irish for one of the few times in the year. that is promoting the language.

22/08/2013 16:13:27
Mayoforever
The minor commentary is in Irish because its our National Language. The Senior game should be aswell. senior games should not be in irish

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/08/2013 17:33:34    1465969