I think it's a disgrace that TV3 are allowed to broadcast the minor finals in english!
As someone said, the commentary was supposed to be split 50-50, but all TV3 care about are ratings.
Is it that hard/expensive to hire a native Irish or 2 speaker for 60min?
Give it to TnaG

beansycpn (Down) - Posts: 128 - 22/08/2013 13:38:15    1465733

Why not?

Gary Mac Donncha and Mícheál Ó Sé before him are way better commentators than Ger Canning and Marty Morrissey.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 22/08/2013 13:41:28    1465738

whitefire
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It's pathetic to see this old argument being drawn down again at this time of year.

Two matches a year are broadcast in Irish out of about 25+ games, a tiny fraction.
Most of the words are pretty easy to make out anyways e.g. húcáil= hook, blocáil= block, ciceáil= kick, pasáil= pass, púc= puck
Why not embrace it and use it as an opportunity to scrub up on your Irish rather than criticise it.

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Spot on, you'd swear it was being shoved down our throats all day everyday with some of the talk here. 2 games as gaeilge won't kill anyone.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 22/08/2013 14:03:37    1465755

keeper7, why?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 14:09:09    1465761

I'd fall into the more anti-traditionalist bridage on here but ive no problem with the traditions on All Ireland final day. I'm in favour of the anthem, the parade, the presidents introduction, the minor final in Irish etc etc etc. They collectively make All Ireland final day the fantastic national occasion that it is and the traditions add effect and context. The players bursting out of the tunnel is a super atmosphere builder as is the new practice of showing the players on screen coming out of the tunnel. I still re-call with joy the roar from the Hill when the Dubs came up on the screen leaving their dressing room.

I don't agree with the Anthem before every GAA match, but that has been covered in another thread. Leave All Ireland Final Day alone!!!!!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 22/08/2013 14:11:41    1465763

do you have a GAA membership card . are you a member of the GAA or a club member. if you are then you are bound by the membership rules to undertake to further the aims of the GAA and to abide by its rules. One of the aims and or objectives of the GAA is to promote Irish identity and culture . one of the ways mentioned in promoting this is the promotion of the Irish language.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 22/08/2013 14:13:59    1465767

Whether people like it or not, whether you find this controversial or not, we SHOULD be speaking Irish. If you can't speak any Irish, you SHOULD find out how to, learn some. There is little enough culture on this island as it is. Get your act together and make an effort. Gaels on here, men and women who are part of the GAA and support it, complaining and whining about the minor finals being in Irish? Ye are a disgrace. Cop on. If you can't speak it, that's your problem. You should make an effort.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 22/08/2013 14:28:25    1465780

TheMaster,

Because, minority or not, it's OURS & we should be proud of our language even if we don't speak it everyday. Just like Gaelic games & traditional music are ours too.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/08/2013 14:38:54    1465795

As annoying as he is, I agree with the master for once :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8818 - 22/08/2013 14:40:52    1465796

22/08/2013 12:27:03
TheMaster
Dumbed down? Is irish harder to speak than english or something?
The reality is that it is in irish to suit this wishy-washy idea that we all love speaking irish and everyone understands it - neither is true. There is an air of pompous self-gratification about it - much like on here, when posters choose to post in irish in the middle of an english speaking thread, adn continue to do so when asked to stop. Functionally, there is absolutely no purpose to doing it. It is the equivalent of someone choosing to post in spanish or latin as far as im concerned, it serves no purpose other than self-gratification. If we actually liked speaking it then we would be speaking it.
It is similar in the gaelthacht areas where signposts are in irish only - yet the signs are mainly for the purpose of non-irish speakers. What purpose does it serve? Surely the correct thing is to cater for everyone and not this elitist attitude that some (not all) irish speakers seem to revel in? It is the equivalent of putting on a television show that a fraction of the people are interested in, and making us all watch it.
GAA should be commentated on in english. If people want an irish version then turn on radio na gaelthacta or another specialised media outlet that caters for it. They are in the minority after all, I dont see why this particular minority should be treated differently to any other minority.
And before people jump down my neck, I fully understand irish and speak it quite well, Im just not of the opinion that it should be forced down everyones throat.
Games are not in irish to suggest we all love irish and that everyone understands it.
It is to promote the language. The coverage of minor games in irish is a flagship event for the cause of spoken irish every year.
GAA should in the main be commentated in English but minor games should be kept in irish. It links more to history and promotes the language.
By having minor coverage in irish is not forcing anything down anyones throat. if people don't want to listen to irish they can turn down the volume and watch game on tv without sound.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/08/2013 14:54:30    1465813

I don't mean to be offensive, but really and truly anyone below the age of 50 who went to school south of the border should have no problem in following an Irish commentary in its basics. I just don't understand the mentality of anyone who is annoyed by it.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 22/08/2013 15:01:49    1465820

To be honest, with the very odd exception, these minor games are usually thrown-in in front of a 2/3 empty Croke Park. Down through the years, Micheal O'Se's commentary added passion and excitement to what would otherwise be drab, soulless affairs. Keep it, I say. Gary MacDonnacha is a good replacement.

streaker (Galway) - Posts: 559 - 22/08/2013 15:14:12    1465831

keeper7
Because, minority or not, it's OURS & we should be proud of our language even if we don't speak it everyday. Just like Gaelic games & traditional music are ours too.

You can be proud of it, without speaking it. Just like you can play football or hurling without speaking it. This idea of conneting the two is actually totally wrong. It is like the english putting in a rule where everyone has to sing god save the queen before a rugby or soccer match... So if you want to force people to speak irish if they want to follow gaa, then get learning the words to GSTQ and swing low sweet chariot... Because rugby and soccer is THIERS after all, just like gaa is OURS...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 15:16:45    1465832

Games are not in irish to suggest we all love irish and that everyone understands it. It is to promote the language.

But that isnt promoting the language, that is forcing the language. Also, why do people need to be able to speak a language in order to follow a sport?


The coverage of minor games in irish is a flagship event for the cause of spoken irish every year.

Again, the method is wrong, they are forcing it, not promoting it. People have no choice. Id have no issue with a choice of language, which should be possible now with the digital change-over.


GAA should in the main be commentated in English but minor games should be kept in irish. It links more to history and promotes the language.

What link? Do brazilians have to speak in english when they play soccer? There is no link between sport and language.


By having minor coverage in irish is not forcing anything down anyones throat. if people don't want to listen to irish they can turn down the volume and watch game on tv without sound.

So basically, either watch it is irish or make-do without sound - I would be embarassed if that was the attitude towards the minority, nevermind the majority. Isnt that a nice way of saying like it or lump it? I fail to see how people would have any other reasonable option than listen to the irish commentary, therefore it clearly is being forced onto us.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 15:24:38    1465835

How is having a minor match broadcast in Irish "forcing Irish down our throats"?

It's a minor match...........it's not like when you're watching the game that your old Irish teacher from school bursts into your sitting room and forces you to converse as Gaeilge as you watch the game........

Also imagine having a signpost with the correct name that those from the area call it! Shocking!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13839 - 22/08/2013 15:30:10    1465840

You can be proud of it, without speaking it

If everybody was proud of it without speaking it then nobody would be speaking it and it would die completely.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 22/08/2013 15:33:00    1465846

Well said, goldrick!

beansycpn (Down) - Posts: 128 - 22/08/2013 15:42:16    1465863

"You can be proud of it, without speaking it"

Then what's your problem? It's not YOU speaking it. Turn on the radio for English commentary if you don't want to LISTEN to it, all the while remembering being proud of it.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 22/08/2013 15:44:02    1465865

brendtheredhand
If everybody was proud of it without speaking it then nobody would be speaking it and it would die completely.

But you can speak it if you like - however, you dont have to speak it to take pride in having it, that is my point. What you are saying is like saying we all have to win the 5000 metres to be proud of sonia o'sullivan doing it. Why is this elitism coming into it? I have no issue with people speaking it, but there is no rule that you have to speak it. Again, I point out, I speak it quite well, but I do not buy into this idea that you have to speak it and if you dont then tough. There is no rule that states you have to speak it when playing gaa, therefore there is no rule that you have to speak it when watching gaa. Either make allowances for both or just put on english, that is the way it should be.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 15:47:55    1465869

MesAmis
It's a minor match...........it's not like when you're watching the game that your old Irish teacher from school bursts into your sitting room and forces you to converse as Gaeilge as you watch the game........

Just like if it were in english, irish speakers wouldnt have their english teacher doing the same - there are far more english speakers though, therefore they should get preference...


Also imagine having a signpost with the correct name that those from the area call it! Shocking!

Ha, you must be joking! I know plenty of people from gaeltacht areas who dont use irish at all. In fact, the ones that use irish are in the minority even in these areas. Not all are like that, but most of the gaeltacht areas are. In my own county for instance, have you ever heard of anyone referring to belmullet in its irish name? So how the hell is someone on holidays going to know what it is on the sign?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2013 16:02:50    1465886