cuchulainn35
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Well done to Limerick, they are a credit to sport. Alot of counties would have complained especially the 2 neighbouring counties, Cork and Kerry.- no objections, no issues at all - instead the looked at their own play in an absorbing contest.... Fair play Limerick...



Yea funny how that has worked out .............

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 21/08/2013 09:17:22    1464807

Im not buying this story about one incorrect setting for the minor hurling match.

There is something strange going on here and what I cant understand is why the graffic didnt correlate to the message that came up on the big screen i.e. graffic clearly shows a point as the ball travels over the bar and yet MISS comes up - surely thats a fundemental requirement of the system, how is it possible they give conflicting messages so I think its a hardware problem and very little to do with settings. Others with more knowledge on computers may know more on this

Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts: 460 - 21/08/2013 09:34:04    1464822

Have to say that Hawkeye is in trouble now, who's going to trust it again after this mess?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 21/08/2013 09:46:20    1464836

Tim. The settings were set for football on the one camera that was really required therefore when all the other ones showed the ball go over as it was smaller the one that really counted calibrated that a football would have hit off the invisible upright and rebounded. No score. But the fact that the other ones showed the trajectory of sloitar proved it was good score. These are shown in computer generated images rather than anything else . Human error for inputting wrong game and this cannot be allowed to happen again.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/08/2013 09:47:52    1464837

Hawk Eye has been used throughout the championship in both hurling and football. Headquarters have promoted this wondrous technology as a fail proof method of deciding if a point was scored. however, this instance has proven the system to be unreliable, and therefore, the reliability of Hawk Eye deserves to be called into question. The failure of hawk eye to live up to its expectations could result in serious ramifications for its use in previous closely contested games.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 21/08/2013 09:53:27    1464845

Ah will everyone stop moaning and questing hawkeye just read royaldunne post or go look up how hawkeye works, typical Irish never happy and always moaning, would be moaing if there was no hawkeye and moaning now because we do have it. It was human error wrong setting used as we have two different games, hawkeye is used all over the world and seen as best technolgy out there yet what is our reply ah I don't know can we trust that thing.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 21/08/2013 10:03:32    1464857

Therealtmo . Yes if anything it proves just how accurate it actually is that it detected the bigger football would have rebounded
Correct me if I'm wrong; but is this the only ground that it has 2 different sized balls to calculate? Tennis cricket etc are all used solely for those sports. Now to put people's minds at rest maybe before throw in ref could ask big screens to show all camera's are set to game been played it'd only take seconds to flash up . All hawk eye set to hurling/ football.
This is a extremely high tech piece of equipment that has proven it works perfectly : it is not to blame for someone hitting a button to say calculate for football on one camera. That is the employees fault and his management for not double checking. Not the equipment. Which is perfect and showed that by calling what it was supposed to a FOOTBALL a miss.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/08/2013 10:26:10    1464877

royaldunne I think it is the only ground that would have two sports, they will just have to seperate the settings in the software to apply either hurling or football settings, make it that easy for the people using it to apply hurling or football should be case then of just pressing a button but maybe I am wrong but they should be able to simplfy it to that. I think it is super to have hawkeye and hopefully a few more big grounds around the country will get it in the near future.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 21/08/2013 11:18:56    1464945

i dont buy this two differant settings and two differant sports stuff
its the same way of scoring in both football and hurling if a ball goes over a post its a point so if the hawkeye system records it as a miss this means the rule would effectively be changed for croke park matches only and in every other gaa game a ball going directly over an upright is classed as a point.
plus the graphic clearly showed the ball on it going between the posts not over it so i dont even get where there coming from,to me it was clearly the wrong writing came up on the screen instead of reading a score it came up as a miss.
so why didnt the guy who wroks for hawkeye tell the ref to award a point?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/08/2013 11:33:44    1464961

I still think it's a good thing & should also be in operation in Semple Stadium next season. Perhaps this controversy is also a blessing in disguise & will ensure that this error doesn't happen again?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 21/08/2013 13:13:53    1465055

Martin Breheny's tuppence-worth:

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keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 21/08/2013 13:16:01    1465058

Hill two different sized balls. A hurling ball will go over invisible bar and inside upright whereas a football would have hit invisible upright making it a miss.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/08/2013 13:28:45    1465070

yes imagine when there is a double header with a football match followed by a hurling match. now that could be interesting. anyway when everyone clearly saw that the graphic showed it as a point why didn't the ref give it as a point. this would be the equivalent of the graphic at wimbledon showing the ball as in and then declaring it as out. what do you think the umpire would do. I think he would go by the graphic. anyway still in favour of "point nets" and an upper crossbar.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 21/08/2013 13:35:01    1465073

gosh, i have just read Martin Breheny's article there and I am surprised that I journalist that I respect could come to such a stupid conclusion. The technology works as has been proven in other sports. it was a settings error (or lets hope it was.. and that there IS actually a setting for hurling)

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 21/08/2013 13:42:31    1465074

I'm amazed Breheny's opinion was even allowed to be published when it is quite clearly incorrect.

There is nothing wrong with the technology itself.


It should be trialed before each game to ensure it has been set up corretly. Simple solution.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5244 - 21/08/2013 14:00:42    1465089

Limerick are rally spoiling the atmos, chancing their arm. Its embarrassing the appeal should be shot down right now.

sponger (Wicklow) - Posts: 2926 - 21/08/2013 14:04:03    1465090

hill16no1man

...its the same way of scoring in both football and hurling if a ball goes over a post its a point so if the hawkeye system records it as a miss this means the rule would effectively be changed for croke park matches only and in every other gaa game a ball going directly over an upright is classed as a point...

Hill, as per rule 3.1, "a point is scored when the ball is played over the crossbar between the posts by either team". If the ball travels over the post, it is not technically between the posts so the score is not given. In the minor match last Sunday, the premise is that a gaelic football, had it had the same trajectory as the sliotar, would have touched the virtual post generated by Hawk-Eye - meaning part of the ball would have passed over the post - and the camera calibrated to gaelic football standards, as opposed to hurling, was the reason behind the seeminly valid score being deemed a miss by the system. The same rules are supposed to be applied across the country. Croke Park just has the technology to confirm the trajectory accurately.

Kurt_Angle (Dublin) - Posts: 567 - 21/08/2013 14:21:00    1465104

royaldunne
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Hill two different sized balls. A hurling ball will go over invisible bar and inside upright whereas a football would have hit invisible upright making it a miss.

but if a ball goes directly over the top of the post its a point,that has always been the rule so the hawkeye system is flawed if it determines a sliotar or football has to go directly between the posts to be a score

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/08/2013 14:29:26    1465115

Hawkeye all the way......better a system that makes a mistake now and then rather than two aul lads looking at each other going "was it....wasn't it" still making the wrong call

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 21/08/2013 14:31:36    1465118

Kurt_Angle
County: Dublin
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hill16no1man

...its the same way of scoring in both football and hurling if a ball goes over a post its a point so if the hawkeye system records it as a miss this means the rule would effectively be changed for croke park matches only and in every other gaa game a ball going directly over an upright is classed as a point...

Hill, as per rule 3.1, "a point is scored when the ball is played over the crossbar between the posts by either team". If the ball travels over the post, it is not technically between the posts so the score is not given. In the minor match last Sunday, the premise is that a gaelic football, had it had the same trajectory as the sliotar, would have touched the virtual post generated by Hawk-Eye - meaning part of the ball would have passed over the post - and the camera calibrated to gaelic football standards, as opposed to hurling, was the reason behind the seeminly valid score being deemed a miss by the system. The same rules are supposed to be applied across the country. Croke Park just has the technology to confirm the trajectory accurately.

it is given if it travels over the post,as its the same as the ball being on the line is classed as in play it has to be over the line to be out of play simliar to a ball to be wide must be outside the post if directly over its a point.
so why couldnt the hawkeye worker not just tell the ref in his head piece that the wording is wrong award a point?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 21/08/2013 14:34:31    1465122