Freetaker1 When Hawkeye failed ref should have abandoned the game

Are you for real it's bad enough calling for a replay but to say a game should be abandoned because of hawkeye. Slayer is 100% right ref was poor but gave Limerick the softest free of the day to make it a draw right at the end hence they had a shot at winning it in extra time and did'nt, so game over.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 19/08/2013 16:01:46    1464020

Question - Can anyone remember if Hawk-eye has actually shown a shot that was unknown and was then shown to be a score? I've seen it in action numerous times and each time it was shown to be wide. Maybe the calibration is off or there is an issue with the computer programme

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 19/08/2013 17:38:57    1464135

only commenting on this thread now so dont know if anybody asked this simple question but the caption showed the sliotar go between the posts but read amiss so why didnt the guy who is in the tv room working hawkeye just tell the ref through his earpiece not to mind the writing that it was a point?the only thing that seemed to go wrong was the writing so common sense should have prevailed and they announced the score

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/08/2013 18:52:32    1464171

therealtmo

Yes I am , you telling me it was right to continue??? considering that if Limerick push this under the rules they have to get a reply. The entire Minor championship is a mess and tainted, any medal got out of this will have a big ?over it. This is the second time in 3 years that Limerick have been shafted , this time by a media tip bit aka hawkeye.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 19/08/2013 20:13:41    1464224

bryanadams
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The point I was making concerns the ability of hawk eye to determine the angle of trajectory and other conditions such as spin and curve on a ball, weather conditions and force. From my own experience, I have seen some crazy points scored, for example, where the ball hits an upright, is deflected on to the crossbar and the spin on the ball in conjunction with the trajectory result in a point being scored.

How good are umpires at determining the angle of trajectory and other conditions such as spin and curve on a ball, weather conditions and force?
There is a lot of nonsense about this. Regardless of whether Hawkeye makes the occasional error, it is still, and will always be more accurate that a person standing under the post, staring up into the sky at a post 20 ft high and a small ball 10 feet above that.
And that won't change regardless of whether refs are used as umpires, or how much training they get.

anfearbeag (Meath) - Posts: 1134 - 19/08/2013 20:29:46    1464237

freetaker1 stop will ya and go read what yer own manager said in his interview. Stop blaming everyone else and everything else, if Limerick were good enough yesterday they would of won it, they had enough chances to win any game. I would call for a replay if this happened with a few minutes to go or even if they lost by a point but it went to extra time and lost. As for the game being abandened im still laughing at that idea, sur maybe they should of called of the senior game to over it.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 19/08/2013 20:38:03    1464243

There's the solution lads. Next time just let the officials consult with freetaker1.

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1066 - 19/08/2013 21:33:09    1464291

Limerick County Board have decided tonight that they will appeal for a replay to take place. It seems that the reason that Hawkeye gave a miss is because the permutations for the Hill 16 end were set up for a football rather than a sliotar. Given how close the sliotar was to the post when it went over, the considerable bigger size of a football caused the glitch internally.

This isn't Hawkeye's fault, but the person who was setting up the settings of the machine before the game.

bob_dolphin (Limerick) - Posts: 694 - 19/08/2013 21:55:40    1464314

Sounds like there's a few like freetaker 1 on the Limerick County Board. Complaining over a mistake in the 1st minute is ridiculous. You had plenty of time and enough chances and a soft free from the ref at the end and you're still not happy. Hope your appeal gets the response it deserves.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 896 - 19/08/2013 21:59:59    1464321

Loughduff Lad
County: Cavan
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In the Leinster hurling final between Dublin and Galway, gave a point that was first signaled wide

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 19/08/2013 22:01:12    1464324

It's not Hawkeye that was at fault it was the bird brain that set it.

allSOran (Sligo) - Posts: 690 - 20/08/2013 10:12:02    1464362

bad dolphin

it is hawkeyes fault as its one of their staff who works hawkeye on match days so he messed up with the settings.
plus i dont buy this excuse at all regardless of football or hurling if a ball goes over he post its a point so there now telling us that there machine cant detect the differance between a ball hitting a post and the ball going over the top of the post which should be given as a score but hawkeye will give it as a miss it now seems,i thaught they had to vote at congress to change playing rules if this is the case

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/08/2013 11:37:56    1464386

ailteoir ye got a lot more soft frees than limerick. a point is a point is a point. if we were given that point we would have won. its as simple as that. hopefully the same ref will get the replay so ye will have a great chance. its hard enough to beat a galway minor team without having to play aginst the referee and hawkeye as well.

SAMTHEMAN73 (Limerick) - Posts: 72 - 20/08/2013 11:51:04    1464391

For the lads being smart your not and your coming across as very thick here, if the goalposts fell down would the game continue???, if the umpires flags vanished would the game continue??, if the ref lost his whistle would the game continue?? this was a pieace of equipment that was required for the game and it failed, no different if flood lights went off. But ah sure welcome to Ireland rubbish, ah just turn it off and it will all be grand!!!, no wonder the country is in a mess. Also anyone who says that it was in the first minute and doesnt matter has clearly never stepped on a pitch before for anything. Also two scores went to hawkeye, not one.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 20/08/2013 12:02:23    1464394

I could understand Limerick looking for a second chance/replay if they lost the game...but they didn't... it was a draw..
They got a second chance in extra time which they were not good enough to take.
Why should they get a third chance?

Secondly, the ref would have blown up on 61 minutes 10 seconds if the game was a draw at that stage but he allowed another play which resulted in a limerick free (which was probably the 'common sense 'thing to do.

conordee (Galway) - Posts: 451 - 20/08/2013 13:58:43    1464414

freetaker1 what about the 17 scoring chances Limerick had in the first half? I would look to that before moaning about a point in the first minute, ye had 59 more minutes to make up for it. So why did the senior game go ahead so if hawkeye is the same as the goalpost falling down or the ref having no whistle as you are saying.

therealtmo (Tipperary) - Posts: 1292 - 20/08/2013 14:35:56    1464438

What game were you watching samtheman73?! You had 62 other minutes, plus 20 minutes of extra time and you still couldn't win. Christ ye're some bunch of bad losers in Limerick. Maybe next you'll start blaming the post for the shot that didn't go in.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 896 - 20/08/2013 14:42:21    1464441

no basis for a replay.....ref. manufactured the point to draw the game in regular time to make up for the error in first half....ref knew that hawk eye was off because of the screw up. games are never replayed unless the full time is not played

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1728 - 20/08/2013 15:02:47    1464460

Are Limerick serious with this new request. There is absolutely no chance that the referee would have played on after 61 mins (which he clearly did) just so Limerick would level. If there had been no hiccup with the hawkeye, he would not have played on and given Limerick the soft free.. Limerick had received their replay in that 30 seconds or so as the ref had a full understanding of the hawkeye glitch at that stage and fair play to him for doing so. Fair is Fair. Limerick are beginning to embarrass themselves with this motion and id advise them to withdraw same to avoid any further blackening.... Galway would destroy them in a replay anyway... That was their first game and they won. Imagine how good they would be in their second???? :-)

Toya (Galway) - Posts: 33 - 20/08/2013 15:18:37    1464465

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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bad dolphin

it is hawkeyes fault as its one of their staff who works hawkeye on match days so he messed up with the settings.
plus i dont buy this excuse at all regardless of football or hurling if a ball goes over he post its a point so there now telling us that there machine cant detect the differance between a ball hitting a post and the ball going over the top of the post which should be given as a score but hawkeye will give it as a miss it now seems,i thaught they had to vote at congress to change playing rules if this is the case.


I'm referring to the actual Hawkeye technology. Surely you can appreciate that a machine can only work within the parameters it is programmed to. It is the person who set up who made the error, but the technology was working within its capabilities.

bob_dolphin (Limerick) - Posts: 694 - 20/08/2013 21:00:02    1464666