How's about before an umpire can do umpire at an inter-county match they have to do a test just like any other referee. Use Hawk-Eye to confirm if their calls are correct. Only if they achieve a certain score can they be on the post at inter county games.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 19/08/2013 10:29:22    1463659

Morning folks.... Just a quick one.. Could Limerick Appeal?

Horsebox77 (Kerry) - Posts: 5491 - 19/08/2013 10:44:13    1463670

I know the graphic said 'Miss' but in my opinion the ref should have given the point because the tracker clearly showed the ball going inside the post. What is more likely to be wrong - the tracking system showing the flight of the ball or a 1 word graphic at the end? The actual decision should be based on what the tracker shows.

If in tennis, the ball was shown to be right on the line but the graphic said 'Out' what do you think the umpire would do?

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 19/08/2013 10:54:47    1463677

Well done to Limerick, they are a credit to sport. Alot of counties would have complained especially the 2 neighbouring counties, Cork and Kerry.- no objections, no issues at all - instead the looked at their own play in an absorbing contest.... Fair play Limerick...

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 19/08/2013 11:51:14    1463731

Believe it or not Benjyyy the GAA are saying the tracker was wrong and the graphic was right!

commercials1 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 19/08/2013 12:00:25    1463741

GAA tell us on a weekly basis that actions by the players arent good enough, treatment of referees isnt good enough, supporter attitude, isnt good enough..Now GAA this isnt good enough, the actions of the GAA regarding hawk eye and the minor game being forced into extra time wasnt good enough.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 19/08/2013 12:03:31    1463742

tracker wasnt wrong, I was behind it and it was straight over, the Galway keeper thought it was over and Players thougn it was over, commentators thought it was over, sunday game thought ot was over Funny enough your the first person that thought it was wide.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 19/08/2013 12:06:11    1463744

I don't get why people are looking for an appeal. First off, yes, it was a horrific decision, and shouldn't have happened, I'm not disagreeing with that, but you can't say it had a direct influence on the final score of the game. It was so early in the game and there still was 60 minutes to play, that various permutations happened that cannot be directly linked to the score not given. Decisions were made by players later in the game by how much they lead or were losing by, not by if a score was given or not. If it happened in the final minute, then fair enough, but enough game was played between that decision and the end.

Lets imagine that Limerick had been awarded that point, and lets imagine that meant that the scores were level towards the end, rather than Limerick being a point down. Would Limerick have thrown everything forward looking for a winner rather than an equaliser? I don't think so. As they were looking for an equaliser, it was all or nothing. Looking for a winner means they would have held players back so as not to be counter attacked.

But like someone said earlier, the final free for Limerick, from which they scored the equaliser, was very soft. Swings and Roundabouts. Subconsciously, the ref was probably aware that Limerick were shafted earlier and awarded the free. I was disappointed to see Limerick lose this but there was lots of time to rectify it.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 2466 - 19/08/2013 12:10:06    1463748

Alot of frees in that game where soft, and Galway got a few I thought where soft as wet paper.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 19/08/2013 13:11:24    1463801

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1463655 Interesting development today, I have wondered just how Hawk Eye could figure out a deflected ball off a wet upright on a stormy day.
Does hawk Eye calculate the trajectory of the ball before it hits the upright?
Does it take into consideration if the ball is struck from the left or right of the pitch?
Can it calculate the curve and spin on a ball?

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It works well enough in tennis and cricket, both of which rely heavily on the curve or turn of a ball. Especially cricket, when the bounce turns the ball a lot. If it's trusted in them, then it should be trusted in the GAA.

Cricket and tennis do not have points scored from deflection off an upright, and Hawk Eye was touted as being an infallible system of detecting if a point was scored, even if the ball was twenty feet above the uprights.
The point I was making concerns the ability of hawk eye to determine the angle of trajectory and other conditions such as spin and curve on a ball, weather conditions and force. From my own experience, I have seen some crazy points scored, for example, where the ball hits an upright, is deflected on to the crossbar and the spin on the ball in conjunction with the trajectory result in a point being scored.

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 19/08/2013 13:25:34    1463814

Freetaker 1,

Rubbish! Limerick scored 9 from frees, we scored 4. The 'free' ye got to draw the game was an absolute joke.The sides were level at the start of extra time and ye lost by 3. Suck it up.

Barnowl94 (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 19/08/2013 13:46:45    1463842

Re Horsebox Yes Limerick can appeal. This rule used to cause any amount of problems in the early decades of the GAA. It was an attempt at fairness but it led to appeals and counter appeals etc. Mayo lost the 1925 All Ire to Galway due to this. I prefer the soccer rule where although the ref might be wrong his decision stands.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 19/08/2013 14:51:01    1463915

Not all frees are in scoreable postions so came back to me with something intelligent and then well talk.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 19/08/2013 14:54:21    1463924

Surely if Limerick were to appeal, they'd have done so at end of normal time? I do see that the demand for a replay is gathering legs.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 19/08/2013 14:55:03    1463925

if it was cork - frank murphy would be have written his appeal by now

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 19/08/2013 15:01:26    1463934

I really hope we don't appeal. We got a soft free at the end of normal time and we had chances to win it but didn't take them.

There's a massive difference in a disallowed point at the start of the game compared to the end. I hope the Limerick County Board accept that a mistake was made and leave it at that.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 19/08/2013 15:04:49    1463938

slayer

There is a big difference alright, an early point sets a marker , limerick where robbed of that. When Hawkeye failed ref should have abandoned the game or even better tested the stupid thing first.

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 19/08/2013 15:10:55    1463949

There is a big difference alright, an early point sets a marker , limerick where robbed of that. When Hawkeye failed ref should have abandoned the game or even better tested the stupid thing first.

They should definitely have tested it. Seems like their equivalence partitioning & boundary value analysis was not properly tested.

But does the first point of the game being disallowed really affect the match result? In my opinion no.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 19/08/2013 15:23:36    1463966

It's amazing how quickly people have come to accept the unquestioned authority of a machine!!

It was clear from everything about that free: the Galway goalkeeper, the player, the crowd reaction, the umpires, that it had gone between the posts. What possessed the ref to call for a second opinion is beyond me. Did a Galway player request it?

On another note, I hope Mattie Murphy realises the next day that his considerable presence is not actually required for the game to start! He was on pitch for a minute nearly at start of second half, and for start of extra time. He was only at the half way line when the ball was thrown in!! Ref was clearly annoyed with him, and probably hoping he'd get a smack :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 19/08/2013 15:44:03    1463989

I believe it was a point. I believe that by the 2nd half the ref was aware that an error had been made and when it appeared Limerick were going to lose by a point he awarded a free to them which in the overall context of the game was soft in the extreme.In extra time the better team won a hugely enjoyable game.
Well done Galway and hard luck to Limerick.Credit to the Limerick manager and posters like Slayer for their sportsmanship.
Hard luck also to Limerick in the senior, the long lay off didn't help you just like it didn't help ourselves.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 19/08/2013 15:57:25    1464011