I think the current structure is the fairest. It's pretty competitive even in Division 1B or whatever they call it. You have OFfaly, Wexford, Cork and Limerick there next year. If any of them is good enough and deserving enough they will be promoted.
They just need to leave it alone and stop changing it. Everytime they change is somebody looses out. If they make the top division 8 again the second division becomes crap. It's perfect as it is.

Nick (Wexford) - Posts: 1100 - 10/08/2013 10:23:36    1457989

I think Limerick have a very valid point Nick seeing they won the division two years ago and were not promoted, do you think that was fair or selfish of Limerick???

Hoover78 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 10/08/2013 10:38:04    1457994

If the structure was changed there should be a two up two down system each year. That would ensure that more counties would have an opportunity to play the top teams more regularly. If Limerick and Cork for example were placed in division 1 this year it would be very interesting for Offally, Wexford and Antrim in the battle for promotion. Improving Counties like Laois and Carlow etc could also aspire to fighting for promotion to the top division if thy continue to progress.

Not bothered if there is not a restructuring as it clearly hasn't caused any problems for Dublin and Limerick this year. Wexford and Offally have also showed signs of progress this year so there is a strong case for the status quo.

07_LK_1973 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 10/08/2013 10:43:02    1457995

Bring in divisions of 8 with 2 up and down and leave it at that.

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 9495 - 10/08/2013 11:10:52    1458008

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Bring in divisions of 8 with 2 up and down and leave it at that. No.
divisions of 6 work best in hurling due to strength in depth very different to football.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 10/08/2013 11:16:40    1458013

Exactly 07 Lk. If anything Dubs and your boys have benefitted. No matter what the structure is some team will be relegated! Its a league ffs!

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 10/08/2013 11:25:17    1458016

The current league system doesn't seem to have damaged this year's championship semi-finalists: Cork and Clare were in the Div 1a relegation play-off, while Dublin and Limerick played in 1b. I think the current structure should be left alone for a few years: too much chopping and changing.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 10/08/2013 11:25:19    1458017

Leave it as is. 1 up, 1 down. Playoff between 2nd placed 1B & 5th placed 1A. Maybe have 2 wildcard games between the divisions to spice things up & give 2 extra games?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4105 - 10/08/2013 11:50:07    1458028

in terms of championship no its not damaging it but people need to realise the league is a eperate competition and should not be just viewed in terms of what it does for the championship.
i would rather see an 8 team division one.
it would mean more matches for each county and would increase the profile of the competition.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/08/2013 12:47:09    1458048

Championship proves that if anything the league is exactly right! Some people just want some Mary Poppins formula which will dictate that no matter how bad they are they can never be relegated. Or no matter how few games they win they should be promoted. And I am not aiming that at anyone. JBM never said a word about being relegated. Nor did our fella last year. Took it on the chin and got on with it. That's sport. Not trying to redraw the boundaries after the last ball.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 10/08/2013 13:42:12    1458084

We're now in a situation where some of the best teams in the country are regularly playing in Divison 1B, Dublin, Cork, Clare and Limerick have been there or will be there. Guess what? They're the very identities of this year's semi-finalists. Extend it to an 8 team Division, with two up or two down, or extend it to the 12 team one we had before (there was never a problem and I can't fathom why it was changed).

Selfish? No way we're being selfish, you can't continue to ignore the fact that there's more than six teams capable of playing in the top tier!

Treaty_Exile (Limerick) - Posts: 386 - 10/08/2013 14:49:07    1458123

Lads the reason Limerick and any of the 1B counties want a restructured league has nothing got to do with hurling. What division league you play in means nothing come championship and that applies to hurling and football, club and county. The reason Limerick want an expanded 1A is for financial reasons and nothing else. Having 1,000 people in the Gaelic Grounds come February and March will not eat into the debt. Having Tipp, Kilkenny etc there and a crowd of 10,000 will eat into the debt. They want it expanded for increased revenue and don't let anyone tell you otherwise

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 10/08/2013 14:59:02    1458133

The league system is perfect as it is. An 8 team top tier would ring fence the top counties, there would be nothing at stake, and all the games would be glorified frendlies.
As it is now teams are desperate to avoid the drop and therefore have to take it seriously,, Which has to be a good thing.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 10/08/2013 15:28:52    1458159

The best thing about the current structure is the likes of Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Wexford & Offaly can all compete. If you have 8 teams most of those teams will be in Div 2 & most will be too strong for that division so no one will benefit.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4105 - 10/08/2013 15:30:43    1458161

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1458133 Lads the reason Limerick and any of the 1B counties want a restructured league has nothing got to do with hurling. What division league you play in means nothing come championship and that applies to hurling and football, club and county. The reason Limerick want an expanded 1A is for financial reasons and nothing else. Having 1,000 people in the Gaelic Grounds come February and March will not eat into the debt. Having Tipp, Kilkenny etc there and a crowd of 10,000 will eat into the debt. They want it expanded for increased revenue and don't let anyone tell you otherwise
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You've hit the nail on the head there. That is the sole reason for the motion. I think if it is to stay a 6 team top division it should be two up two every year to ensure there is some chance for second tier teams to regularly get promoted. It would also ensure the league doesn't become stale as there would be a couple of new teams every season from the season before. There could be opposition to this though as some of the teams at the top table may not want the prospect of relegation.

07_LK_1973 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 10/08/2013 15:47:34    1458171

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1458161 The best thing about the current structure is the likes of Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Wexford & Offaly can all compete. If you have 8 teams most of those teams will be in Div 2 & most will be too strong for that division so no one will benefit.

They wouldn't be too strong, It would be competitive enough and be good for the likes of Westmeath and Kerry, Meath etc to be playing these teams. Teams that are in the present Div. 2 will never improve playing teams of their supposed standard and only four games at that is stupid.

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 823 - 10/08/2013 16:40:39    1458217

I'm with joncarter on this. Indeed it has been mentioned that the league as it is forced teams to put up earlier perhaps than they intended. Worked negatively perhaps for the Cats and Tipp but without a doubt positively for ourselves and Limerick. And lets face it. Limerick won't give a fig about being in 1B next year after the championship. Nor cork for that matter.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 10/08/2013 16:47:54    1458219

Offaly & Wexford don't want to be playing Meath, Westmeath & Kerry. They get it hard enough to play Antrim.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4105 - 10/08/2013 17:06:35    1458238

The top team in 2A next year dosent automatically get promoted anymore but has to play the bottom placed team in 1B who'll invariably have an advantage by playing better quality teams over the preceding months. The fairest thing to do in my mind is two divisions of 7

1A Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway, Clare, Dublin, Waterford, Cork or Limerick

2A Cork or Limerick, Offaly, Wexford, Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Westmeath

Each of the foregoing divisions would be reasonably competitive as demonstrated by this years league results and provide a place for the developing end quartet.

You could liven things up by having the top team in 1B automatically promoted with a playoff between second in 1B and second last in 1A. That would keep it tooth and nail all the way.

Passer_By (Carlow) - Posts: 547 - 10/08/2013 18:23:57    1458300

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The top team in 2A next year dosent automatically get promoted anymore but has to play the bottom placed team in 1B who'll invariably have an advantage by playing better quality teams over the preceding months. The fairest thing to do in my mind is two divisions of 7

1A Kilkenny, Tipp, Galway, Clare, Dublin, Waterford, Cork or Limerick

2A Cork or Limerick, Offaly, Wexford, Antrim, Laois, Carlow, Westmeath

Each of the foregoing divisions would be reasonably competitive as demonstrated by this years league results and provide a place for the developing end quartet.

You could liven things up by having the top team in 1B automatically promoted with a playoff between second in 1B and second last in 1A. That would keep it tooth and nail all the way.

Ya i wonder how worried Limerick are about the 2A teams? If theere as good as they think they are they would have got on with things and got promoted this year, instead of complaining, again

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 10/08/2013 18:53:19    1458308