jamesjoyce
County: Derry
Posts: 15

1443334 jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 10745

1442976 hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 5330

1442959 real slim shday

how have we 2.5 times the next county to choose from?
breakdown dublins population it becomes very evident that thats not true.
1.2million accounted for in dublin on last census.
650 thousand of them were female!!!!
leaving you immediately with 550 thousand men in dublin.
if at the very least half the number non nationals in ireland which is 550 thousand live in dublin thats 250 thousand which is again another 125 thousand men reducing the number of dublin males to 425 thousand.
now i cannot find a figure for the amount of country people resident in dublin but you can bet your house its a large figure.
thus blowing this whole 1.2 million number as a completer myth
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Real_Slim_Shady (Meath) - Posts: 153 - 26/07/2013 17:09:53    1443348

jamesjoyce

how is their little logic ??
im pointing out that jim gavin and anthony daly dont have 1.2 million people to pick from like some on here are making out

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/07/2013 17:11:51    1443350

real slim shday

well theres an obvious differance with olympics when one country enters more participants into the games.
dublin can only have 15 players on a pitch the same as any othe county

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 26/07/2013 17:13:11    1443351

I don't care about Dublin at all. I am more interested in it from the bottom up and the ability of small counties to compete at the top table in football. Also, correct me if I am wrong but I would be surprised if Armagh was 50/50 Nationalist/Unionist.That is a debate for another forum though.

A bunch of people trying to calculate how many culchies, foreign nationals and West Brits there are in Dublin is boring nad has been done here too often.

Hopefully Cavan give London a decent game tomorrow. 62,000 against the millions over there is hardly fair.

ArminTamzarian (Cavan) - Posts: 66 - 26/07/2013 17:14:53    1443353

1 Dublin 1273069
2 Antrim 618108
3 Down 531665
4 Cork 519032
5 Galway 250541
6 Derry 247132
7 Kildare 210312
8 Limerick 191809
9 Meath 184135
10 Tyrone 177986
11 Armagh 174792

Do these populations statics surprise anyone else? 5 out of the 6 north counties in the top 11 of the 32 counties in Ireland?
Half a million people in County Down?? I was often in Down and would of guessed maybe 10000, but half a million!! Are these figures correct??

rising1916 (Cavan) - Posts: 187 - 26/07/2013 18:02:56    1443400

down is a very unionist county!

hsbai (Down) - Posts: 8 - 26/07/2013 18:38:23    1443435

Rising 1916. Yes those figures are correct. Half of Belfast is in Down, as well as the Ards peninsula.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 26/07/2013 19:30:44    1443486

hill16no1man
the master
please point out how dublin have 7 times more player playing gaa then any county?
considering cork has the largest gaa participants i would love to hear you worm out of this one

Well considering arock confirmed that the average club in dublin can field 6-7 teams at an age group that teams down the country can field 1 in, it is a reasonable point to make that dublin have 7 times the pick.

Also, I take it you are referencing the fact that cork have the most clubs. The thing is, it is the number of players that matters, not clubs, and dublin have 7 teams in each age group at the same club. That is the equivalent of 7 clubs down the country. Cork is a very big county, so the area is split into clubs as opposed to having several teams at 1 club. Therefore cork will have 7 clubs where dublin have 1 club with 7 teams. Very simple if you just use your head. I suppose that is 'worming' to you... The only worming I can see on this thread is coming from lads who are trying to say that the county with the biggest pick, doesnt actually have the biggest pick...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 26/07/2013 21:28:49    1443566

ringo
County: Wexford
Posts: 283

1442390 Culann

Ballyboden St Endas for one.

Stop spreading lies.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 27/07/2013 09:21:45    1443616

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7928

1442323 There is soccer and rugby in mayo also.... You are correct though, it is down to numbers involved. Like the 10-12 teams many dublin clubs field between u-13/u-14 level, while in the average county, clubs struggle to get 25 lads total. Is taht the numbers you are talking about?

I think its important to requote the master reagularly while debating here.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 27/07/2013 09:44:35    1443630

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7928

Well not really no. Because all things considered, we already see that they can get 7 times the young lads out playing than the rest of us.

We do not already see this. Read back over the thread if you don't believe me.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 27/07/2013 09:47:06    1443633

TheRightStuff
County: Donegal
Posts: 310

1443152 There are 38,000 people from the Presbyterian community living in Donegal , most BUT NOT ALL , don't play GAA. Dublin has crazy playing numbers

...and should they stop playing?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 27/07/2013 09:50:40    1443635

Master

Dublin on the other hand, on average have 10 times more players than everyone.

Do they? Prove it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 27/07/2013 09:52:10    1443636

Master

Dublin on the other hand, on average have 10 times more players than everyone.

Do they? Prove it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 27/07/2013 09:52:10    1443637

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7928

1443259 jimbo
All in the course of "Fairness"

Are you for real? What is fair about dublin on average having 10 times the pick of every other team in the entire competition?

Again take the opportunity to back that staement up with facts

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 27/07/2013 09:56:28    1443640

http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/census/documents/census2011vol1andprofile1/Census,2011,-,Population,Classified,by,Area.pdf

Culann, go to page 9, you'll see that there's more people in Dublin than there are in Munster and twice as many as Connacht. Obviously not all these play Gaa but you can't argue that dublin don't have a greater pick.

Plenty.of.ash (Australia) - Posts: 3 - 27/07/2013 10:06:23    1443644

It doesn't do to get too bogged down with stats on GAA matters. County Down has a massive population, but the bulk of the players come from about 10 clubs within a 20 mile radius in South Down.

MiseMuineachain (Monaghan) - Posts: 212 - 27/07/2013 10:26:21    1443649

What a crazy place this is at times.

Hill you are talking down figures and The Master is talking them Up and inbetween is the reality the hard to find hard facts.

I too mentor and coach at Juvenile level and I can say it is not just Crokes as one isolated large club, its Na Fianna, Ballyboden, Lucan Sarsfields, Cuala, Balinteer, Vincents et all. Small clubs outnumber the large clubs in number of clubs but we are talking here teams and players.
As a complier of GAA stats I can tell you and anyone else interested in facts to click on this:
Hill 16
2013 Football Contact List
2013 Hurling Contact List
You will see listed every team in Dublin and while that doesn't give nearly the full picture it goes a long way in making a decent argument.

The Master just in case you think that you take the total number of teams and multiply x 20 to arrive at some grossly inflated figure thats not how it is done. On average a duel code club at U14 with 4 teams equates to 50 players by the time you get to U16 you get a truer more accurate figure. There are much less teams and much less players.
There are:
54,000 approx players in Dublin of all ages.
1,400 juvenile teams
500 Adult teams
8,000 in club nurseries
Link to Blue Wave: Blue Wave

I have no idea what any of this means to your respective arguments as they are lost on me.

The bottom line is Dublin contains 20% of the entire population of Ireland it follows it should have at least 20% of the GAA playing membership and I think we will all agree it that figure is higher.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4955 - 27/07/2013 10:41:06    1443658

the master

quite simply new york has the biggest population of all teams in the gaa but they do not have the biggest playing participants.
at the end of the day 1.2 million people live in dublin yes nobody denys that but you cannot select from that 1.2 million.
its quite simple cork has the biggest playing numbers so therefore cork has the biggest pick of all the countys.
you say cork has seven clubs to dublins one meaning it spaces itself out but you are just going by the 3 or 4 big named dublin clubs,the reality is that the rest of the clubs in dublin exist like cork on the same basis with the area of kilmacud and stillorgan accounting for kilmacud crokes team if you come over the northside and take the area from the malahide road down to the coast the reality is you have o tooles,st monicas,raheny,naomh barrog,trinity gaels,innis fails and na dubh gall.
thats seven clubs making up the same catchment area as kilmacud crokes have only the one club.
now raheny and naomh barrog would have a football and hurling club at every age i would say,trinity gaels and st monicas would struggle to field 15 players at all age groups and they dont have teams at all age groups it would be more like every second or third age group and alot of them players would play for their own age and the age above them.then innis fails and na dubh gall would be lucky to have 4 teams in the club as a whole from all ages between football and hurling.
you need to take a look outside of the 3 or 4 so called super clubs that make media attention to see that it doesnt exist like that for 90% of the clubs in dublin

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 27/07/2013 11:17:18    1443675

I haven't followed this page but I just came to the last page and seen someone saying Dublin clubs have 6 or 7 teams participate at each underage level, that is complete bs. We have two senior leagues 1 and 2 that we mostly pick from just like most counties. A lot of our senior clubs have a lot of country players and teams like Crokes and Brigids have teams in senior 1 and 2 so the Dublin pick isn't as big as everyone thinks.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 27/07/2013 12:11:08    1443707