Silly comment Awbeg. So no one other than yourselves and maybe Tipp and Cats should have opinions on hurling? I have marks on my head from 'accidental' strikes to my noggin. It's either malicious or careless. Either way it is rightly a sending off.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 20/07/2013 19:48:49    1436640

Awbegrover

What a stupid comment! By the way is Cork a hurling stronghold? Ye haven't won an awful lot lately. Where one lives doesn't mean one doesn't know the rules of hurling! Such arrogance is pathetic! Glad the guy got cleared to play next week as there obviously was no malice there but the rules are the rules at the same time...!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 20/07/2013 19:52:52    1436642

Well thank god for that.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 20/07/2013 20:54:50    1436725

Two words - Frank Murphy

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 639 - 20/07/2013 21:03:30    1436740

Exactly Lifford Gael. Perhaps Awbeg would care to come up some day and tell lads from Burt that they are wasting their time. Maybe travel over to Lisnaskea on his way back and spread the same message/ Then maybe onto Kilmessan on the way back, detour into Westmeath where lads have delusions they are hurlers. Drop in on Leighton Glynn in glenealy and tell him why Wicklow shouldn't have a hurling team.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 21/07/2013 12:45:32    1437029

So every time a player touches your helmet with his hurley, it's a free?? I've grown up in the age of compulsory helmets. It wouldn't feel right to me to hurl without one. I puck around without one but never ever any contact. I would say that in every single game I've ever played, either I get touched in the helmet or I touch the other guys one. Nothing malicious just flexing the elbows and hard pulling. To suggest that the refs decision is correct is an absolute joke. If he had intent to hurt him then there would have been a pulling action, it was a foul, maybe a yellow for being careless but that's it. I'm so glad he's back now. Next weekend should be good. As someone said above, the real disgrace would be to uphold an incorrect decision.

hurlinspuds (Cork) - Posts: 1494 - 21/07/2013 13:14:26    1437056

hurlingdubCounty: DublinPosts: 47181436530 joncarter he brought the stick down on a man's head. Red card straight away. And if he didn't know what he was doing then he should not be out there in the first place.


HurlingDub- the statement "brought the stick down on a man's head" indicates that you think it was deliberate. Do you think Horgan did it deliberately? If, so, of course you are right in saying a red card was correct.

I think it was a pure accident. If you are a hurling man, as you claim, then you must be aware that such accidental slaps can happen in every game. If every player was to be red-carded for every accident in a game then every game would end with a few players short.

I am completely against the deliberate use of the stick to injure an opponent, but penalizing accidents such as the one involving Horgan and O'Brien when there was minimal accidental contact makes a mockery of the whole thing and actually dilutes the incident of real intent.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 21/07/2013 13:45:32    1437111

No Malice and was and accident, still from the refs point of view definatly a red card

while i wanted it and am delighted for Horgan for it to be resended... i dont think it should have been

hopefully he does damage againsts kk now

GreenandWhite13 (Limerick) - Posts: 37 - 22/07/2013 16:52:06    1439092

Good to see common sense prevail eventually. A class player who's a joy to watch on the pitch.

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 22/07/2013 17:21:19    1439143

Honestly Judging on what other referees had given this year it was a yellow. If it was the other way around (Horgan had done it and then Power did a few weeks later) I'd be disgusted. Overall it was the correct decision but according to the rules should have been a red!

KKid (Kilkenny) - Posts: 421 - 22/07/2013 17:24:41    1439153

The red card should have stood. I'll say from the outset that I have not seen the incident. I was listening on the radio and by all accounts, it was a very harsh decision at the time. However, being blinded by the sun is not an excuse. If you cant see the ball, you don't swing for it. The sun was hardly blinding him to the extent that he could not see Paudie O' Brien's head 2 foot in front of him. I would imagine it was careless more than reckless.

However, the biggest issue I have is the future repercussions it will have. This case will be used as an example to get justified red cards recinded in the future. The CCCC may have opened up a hell of a can of worms for themselves. I am not of this opinion just because he is free to play Kilkenny. I genuinely feel that if Kilkenny cannot beat Cork with him, they are not good enough to win an All Ireland

KK4Life (Kilkenny) - Posts: 56 - 23/07/2013 11:04:34    1439592

Agree with u KK4life, but I only am possibly claiming to be a hurling man as suggested by our friend from Midleton.

Interesting piece on McGrath in Examiner today. He is obviously annoyed at what happened and the flak he has taken. Even mentioned 'chat forums' :-) Referees were told to come down hard on this and there has been criticism of games where they have not done and I accept that some of those involved possibly had less of an excuse than Hogan.

McGrath had to make a decision and he made the right one. No question.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 25/07/2013 21:38:37    1442723

It was a fairly inocous strike from Horgan.
Punishment enough was getting sent off in the munster final. It would have been a joke to have been banned for another game.

I get the point that the CCC could be under pressure now to let off future sending off for striking.
But that really just proves what a joke of a disciplinary system we have whereas someone could nearly kill a fella on the field and get off because the ref forgot to put a fada i nthe players name etc

For once in this incident common sense prevailed

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 26/07/2013 10:15:02    1442818

I have said from that start that I believe that the red card should have stood. However, when does an accidental strike to the head warrant a yellow card and when does in warrant a red card? I have attached the link to KK/Dublin game where Richie Power (with no malice I must emphasise) strikes a player on the head. He is given a yellow card. Horgan (again with no malice) strikes a player to the head and gets a red card. Every two incidents are different, but when you have two softish accidental strikes to the head and both receiving different punishments, you can understand that players frustrations will rise.

James McGrath is getting unnecessary flak it should be said. However, if referees are told to clamp down on this, then they same punishments must be applied. I think the referee in the KK/Dublin game had the much easier decision to make as Power was on a yellow and was going to be off regardless. McGrath took the braver decision in my opinion.

Awbeg Rover. The comment you made about Donegal/Kildare hurling etc was poorly thought-out.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 26/07/2013 11:44:11    1442944

KK4Life
County: Kilkenny
Posts: 5

1439592
The red card should have stood. I'll say from the outset that I have not seen the incident.

Good man yourself. How could anyone argue against you especially when you're from kilkenny? You'll become a serious pundit once you afford yourself the luxury of actually LOOKING at the incident.

banner_boy (Clare) - Posts: 1285 - 26/07/2013 12:29:27    1443018

So the ref makes a decision thats technically correct!
Then for some reason, the authorities have gone against the referees actions.
So, where does this leave the game of hurling in regards to its respect for the rules!

What other County would this have happened to?

Cork - Competing with Dignity!

Well done Frank

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1473 - 26/07/2013 13:32:09    1443087

AwbegRover
County: Cork
Posts: 76

1436576 Correct decision. No malice whatsoever, not Hoggy's style. Biggest begrudgers to having this travesty overturned, come from hurling strongholds like Donegal, Kildare and wait for it.... The USA (the World's policeman).

AwbegRover, thats a silly comment and I never associated Cork people with that kind of hurling snobbery. Tipp people yes and they would admit that themselves.

Under the rules the player should have been sent off and there was no rule to have it recended, common sense is not in the rule book. Rules are rules and without them being used we would be back to the old days with faction fights.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 26/07/2013 14:30:16    1443157

HurlingDub, I notice you didn't answer my question.

Do you think Horgan struck O'Brien deliberately?

Answer the question like a man and don't try to avoid it like a politician.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 26/07/2013 14:32:14    1443159

"Good man yourself. How could anyone argue against you especially when you're from kilkenny? You'll become a serious pundit once you afford yourself the luxury of actually LOOKING at the incident".

Good man Banner-Boy, how far did you actually get when reading my previous post before the rusty cogs between your ears started turning? For starters, being from Kilkenny has nothing to do with anything so you can leave your petty dislike of Kilkenny at the door. Also, as I stated if you had bothered reading all of my post, I acknowledged that from all I had heard and read about the incident, I believed it to be a harsh decision. But as the decision was made and there hasn't been a single argument claiming he never connected with O' Brien. The fact that he did connect and had the card rescinded, it opens up a precedent for more serious offenders to get cards rescinded.

The argument that the sun was in his eyes is irrelevant. It was the same for all players but all didn't make the mistake Horgan did. But the CCCC made their decision and it is onwards to Thurles now and may the better team win (unless it is Cork)

KK4Life (Kilkenny) - Posts: 56 - 26/07/2013 14:35:26    1443160

Ban
County: Westmeath
Posts: 91

1443087
So the ref makes a decision thats technically correct!
Then for some reason, the authorities have gone against the referees actions.
So, where does this leave the game of hurling in regards to its respect for the rules!

What other County would this have happened to?




Cork - Competing with Dignity!

Well done Frank

Well done, Ban. Never mind justice; let a badly-written rule prevail at all costs.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 644 - 26/07/2013 14:36:49    1443162