orange and blue
County: Tyrone
I agree with white.n.blue.You can't have 2 players sharing the same position.

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TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 21/06/2013 17:36:15    1412476

were the votes counted by mrs o se?

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 21/06/2013 17:43:49    1412481

Thats the problem with nostalgia we can all watch Brogan or any current player kick a wide or drop a ball live at the minute but there are no highlights of the retired players playing badly and you won't see a replay of a terrible low scoring league game on a soaked pitch.

Its tough on the lads from weaker counties too especially in the pre-backdoor days.Declan Browne and Mattie Forde are up there with any corner forward of the past 30 years, the best players aren't always the ones with the most medals.

SeanieSense (Donegal) - Posts: 328 - 21/06/2013 17:52:42    1412490

Peter Canavan.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1800 - 21/06/2013 18:04:30    1412496

Seanie put Niall Mcnamee in that bracket aswell outstanding player aswell whose just as good as the ayers you mention. Maybe in ten years time Michael Murphy will make this team another class act.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/06/2013 18:11:56    1412504

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3642

1412465 I've seen great players marked out of it when there team has won it happens Seanie. It's probably unfair for Bernard cause he's still playing and were judging him game by game, whereas Gooch has won 4 all Ireland his legend is already cemented even when he has a bad game no one really says anything. Retired players legend grows year after year and people forget how average they were in some games and only remember the good things they did.

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Bernard has a better scores per game ratio than Gooch. That's a fact.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 21/06/2013 18:18:30    1412507

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3643

1412362 Lockjaw as a corner forward when the game is on the line then yes I think Bernard is the man you'd want to win you the game. As an all round footballer obviously Maurice is better but as a corner forward it's Bernard for me all the time.

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With you all the way on that CD. Left foot, right foot, sideline, from play, from frees. He's the most complete corner in the game at the moment. Ok he has a few years left so it may be a bit premature to say that he is the best 15 of all time but he is certainly there or thereabouts.

People should watch his exhibition against Mayo in Croke Park in the league. Fantastic display. Granted he had a couple of patchy games last year and was hampered by injury but still scored 3-23. He scored 29 in 2011 and 3-42 in 2010. He has been the only ever present in the top four scorers over the past 3 years. Dublin wouldn't be where they are now without him that's for sure.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 21/06/2013 18:51:56    1412524

Bernard has a better scores per game ratio than Gooch. That's a fact.


Reasons:

a) Gooch is playing for longer
b) Kerry play less "easy" games than Dublin - Typically one before meeting Cork although limerick were strong for the last decade
c) Gooch is often rested during these games (i presume you're only talking about Championship as Kerry don't take the League seriously)
d) Kerry don't rely on Gooch for their scores as heavily as Dubs do on Brogan, so their play is not geared towards him scoring
e) Gooch is often played out around the "40" in a playmaker role

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5331 - 21/06/2013 19:21:16    1412543

cavanman47
County: Cavan
Posts: 230

1412543 Bernard has a better scores per game ratio than Gooch. That's a fact.


Reasons:

a) Gooch is playing for longer
b) Kerry play less "easy" games than Dublin - Typically one before meeting Cork although limerick were strong for the last decade
c) Gooch is often rested during these games (i presume you're only talking about Championship as Kerry don't take the League seriously)
d) Kerry don't rely on Gooch for their scores as heavily as Dubs do on Brogan, so their play is not geared towards him scoring
e) Gooch is often played out around the "40" in a playmaker role

Thats one of the lamest arguements ive ever heard.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 21/06/2013 19:30:33    1412546

Reasons:

a) Gooch is playing for longer
b) Kerry play less "easy" games than Dublin - Typically one before meeting Cork although limerick were strong for the last decade
c) Gooch is often rested during these games (i presume you're only talking about Championship as Kerry don't take the League seriously)
d) Kerry don't rely on Gooch for their scores as heavily as Dubs do on Brogan, so their play is not geared towards him scoring
e) Gooch is often played out around the "40" in a playmaker role



I dont want to stray off topic, but on merits of ability, gooch is the man.

However, to suggest that Kerry have a tougher run in to the quarter final stage of the competition than the Dubs is hard to justify. One game and they are there, if they play cork and beat them and one back door game if they lose the final. All right, westmeath were not much opposition the last day, but look at the game they gave kerry last year.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3858 - 21/06/2013 19:32:55    1412548

Another thread ruined by a daft argument. The rules were post one player in each position, but of course that was too difficult.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8852 - 21/06/2013 20:00:18    1412565

How is it a daft argument and how is the thread ruined? We're keeping it about football and football players not about where you play your game or where your from or what terrace you get or where his parents are from or Friday is a terrible night to a have a game on etc etc It's about the greatest team from us the Hoganstand posters surely were allowed debate what players make it and what players dont and who we think deserves to and so on??

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 21/06/2013 21:08:28    1412609

My vote goes to Maurice fitzgerald has to be on this team.His point in thurles alone and his goal against armagh in 2000 was special also.... no wait is that true Kerry beat a nordie team in the naughties.

chicago09 (Kerry) - Posts: 694 - 21/06/2013 21:26:06    1412619

It isn't a debate though, all Admin wanted was a number and name to pick 15 players. Not a pointless debate on who thinks Bernard Brogan is fantastic? There is no wrong or right answer on any position as we all have different views.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8852 - 21/06/2013 21:30:04    1412624

Donegalman,

I havn't suggested Kerry have a tougher run than Dublin - what i pointed out is that they play less "easy" teams, typically 1, while often, Dublin have hammered Laois, Wexford, Westmeath etc. thus playing more high scoring games. .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5331 - 21/06/2013 21:40:26    1412634

TheGateKeeper County: Tyrone Posts: 1906

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bennybunny County: Cork I will vote Peter Canavan for 14. I did not vote for a few days. Looking back over the votes, I would have guessed that Brian McGuigan would have come close to winning the no 11 spot given the preponderance for current/recent players. To my astonishment, he did not even get a single nomination. This should be done again and next time, nobody should be allowed to vote for players from their own county (I am guilty of that on two positions). That way we might come close to the greatest football team of all time rather than the best Meath XV of the last 30 years.

Here, here bennybunny, here, here, well said lad.

Oh my my, I go away for one day and the whole place falls apart :-) just to let gate and Benny know that there is 3 meath players on the team and 8 kerry, now i know that maths isn't everyone's expertise, but how does that constitute a meath 15?,? Baffling. Furthermore the 3 players on the team were mostly picked from outside county. Ok boys?
It's a disgrace tbh that only one of Joyce, geraghty, Fitzgerald, Connor will get into this team. But thats how it is.
Geraghty won all stars as back and forward so the most versatile player imo, Joyce was a genius, and Fitzgerald was class personified.
but my nomination goes to Matt Connor as i feel his omission would be the biggest injustice of them all. Matt Connor no 15

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 22/06/2013 09:49:34    1412669

Admin i pretty much stayed away from this thread as i knew it would become messy and in fairness most posters including myself have vivid memories of players in the last 30 years but what about the players that went before this. With respect to everyone it really should be the greatest team over the last 25 to 30 years. For example Sean Purcell was known as the Master of football and described by Micheal O' Muirheartaigh as the greatest footbeller he ever saw. No centre forward from what i read and heard has had that impact on football from a centre half forward position in terms of style, type of play etc. Also the sign of true greatness is as much about how influential a player is when his county is not doing well as it is when he is doing well. Clondalkindub for example stated in an earlier post Padraic Joyce went missing after 01. Nothing could be further from the truth and i could list numerous early championship games in the last 10 years where he was hugely influential. Similarly with Maurice Fitz in the early part of his career. When Kerry were not going well and Cork dominated Munster Fitz had some huge individual performances. On the flip side if you take the O'Sé brothers (all fantastic footballers) it is very unlikely that all three would make a greatest ever team if a panel of experts was put together. Tomás in my opinion would make it but not sure of Darragh and certainly not Marc. In fairness these three happened to be part of a great Kerry team and from what i can see it is nearly as much about how successful your team is for you to get nominated. The other reason why it is difficult to have the greatest ever team apart from what is recent tends to be more vivid is that the style of football has evolved and being reinvented so nearly impossible to compare one era with another.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1996 - 22/06/2013 14:31:36    1412765

How has it become messy? We're just talking football isn't that what forums are all about? IMO it's not messy at all. To say Joyce went missing is wrong but IMO he never reach the same heights again as he did in 98/01.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/06/2013 14:47:02    1412771

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
Posts: 3646

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How has it become messy? We're just talking football isn't that what forums are all about? IMO it's not messy at all. To say Joyce went missing is wrong but IMO he never reach the same heights again as he did in 98/01.


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TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 22/06/2013 19:40:14    1412955

How has it become messy? We're just talking football isn't that what forums are all about? IMO it's not messy at all. To say Joyce went missing is wrong but IMO he never reach the same heights again as he did in 98/01.


As opposed to B. Brogan who has been poty since 06 erm no make that two fantastic seasons and rest good to average. Name me one forward player who has played at top of his game season after season? Its near impossible.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 22/06/2013 19:58:21    1412966