Does anyone in the hierarchy of the GAA value the future of our games??? The only competitive championship in football is Ulster , this is evident for years now, and they leave the system as is..How demoralising for Tipp today...and that's not even a good Kerry side...can they not just change to a a two tier championship, with the weaker sides in one and the stronger in the other and best of both play each other...

Mollymalone (Dublin) - Posts: 1137 - 26/05/2013 14:42:57    1391422

Yeah not a great kerry side - how many all Irelands do some of those players have?

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2013 14:52:12    1391430

Westkerry, youre missn the point.....nobody is disputing how many AIs Kerry or some of those Kerry players have won, the structure of the championship is a joke and is detrimental to the future of the game....how can you expect a division 4 team to compete with a division 1 team..crazy...and no test for Kerry either.....

Mollymalone (Dublin) - Posts: 1137 - 26/05/2013 14:56:40    1391434

OH my god. This is the munster championship. Its beena two horse race since its inception which is over a 100 years now. duh?

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 26/05/2013 15:00:35    1391435

Absolutely correct. And the likes of westkerry are very touchy about anyone challenging the parlous state of the Munster championship. Cork and Kerry must be drawn against each other in the first round every year. At least then one of them would be forced through the qualifiers. As it stands the worst either of them can expect is a fourth round qualifier. That leaves them one match away from the Q.Finals. The Munster championship is a complete joke.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 26/05/2013 15:08:13    1391439

Sure its no different than Dublin v Wicklow or Carlow.
For me the GAA is about tradition I certainly don't want a champions league style Championship.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2013 15:11:07    1391440

GealAntrim with all due respect focus on Antrims problems and don't worry about Munster football.
Tell me would it make it better for Antrim if Kerry or Cork were forced into the Qualifiers?

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2013 15:21:58    1391447

Kerry and Cork being miles better than the rest of Munster is not their problem. My gripe is why RTE continually show Kerry's first round game every year. Kerry demolishing Tipperary live on RTE every year is both boring to watch and demoralising for Tipp. Surely Laois v Louth or even London v Sligo would have been a better choice for the early match today.

M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 491 - 26/05/2013 15:28:41    1391451

26/05/2013 15:11:07
westkerry
Sure its no different than Dublin v Wicklow or Carlow.
For me the GAA is about tradition I certainly don't want a champions league style Championship.
Well the current format of the championship will not improve the chances of many counties of doing very well.
Your attitude is ridiculous especially with your post below
26/05/2013 15:21:58
westkerry
GealAntrim with all due respect focus on Antrims problems and don't worry about Munster football.
Tell me would it make it better for Antrim if Kerry or Cork were forced into the Qualifiers?
Kerry/Cork "forced"(which doesn't happen) into qualifiers is irrelevant to your argument.
Munster football has plenty to worry about. Current structure of championship and inter county season in general means dispite Tipp's improvement at all levels of football recently it will still be a considerable period before Tipp, Clare, Limerick, Waterford win a Munster title.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 26/05/2013 15:46:57    1391464

Sure its no different than Dublin v Wicklow or Carlow.
For me the GAA is about tradition I certainly don't want a champions league style Championship.

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I agree

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 26/05/2013 15:47:43    1391465

Ormondbannerman , How is it ridiculous? Kerry is a football county we would get hammered if
we played Clare in Hurling.
Do you see us whinging about the Munster hurling championship?
Get your house in order, get your structures right and put focus on Football


One point that seems to go missing when people give out about Munster is the problem is not
the structure of the Provence but the structure within counties such as clare/waterford.

Infairness Tipp are doing great stuff at underage and if these guys stay with football
they will see results at senior.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2013 15:59:07    1391481

westkerry
County: Kerry
Posts: 244

1391481 Ormondbannerman , How is it ridiculous? Kerry is a football county we would get hammered if
we played Clare in Hurling.
Do you see us whinging about the Munster hurling championship?
Get your house in order, get your structures right and put focus on Football


One point that seems to go missing when people give out about Munster is the problem is not
the structure of the Provence but the structure within counties such as clare/waterford.

Infairness Tipp are doing great stuff at underage and if these guys stay with football
they will see results at senior.

ye dont play in the liam mc carthy thats the point,
imagine yourselves , kildare , laois and westmeath in with Cork and Tipp in the hurling champioship every year in munster ,thats about the size of it. and then people lashing ye for not putting it up to tipp or cork.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 26/05/2013 16:08:56    1391494

There are 1 sided games in every province. Kerry & Cork would walk Connacht and only Dublin & possibly Kildare are at their level in Leinster (and Limerick took them to extra time last year). Donegal & Tyrone are only at their level in Ulster this year and remember Kerry hockeyed Tyrone last year.
Ulster is competitive because many teams at same level, below Kerry & Cork. Same goes for Leinster, can you imagine the results if Kerry played Carlow/Antrim & Cork played Wicklow/Fermanagh?

Very easy to be dismissive of Munster championship when 2 of top 4 teams in the country are there.

county man (Limerick) - Posts: 1156 - 26/05/2013 16:16:32    1391503

I'm not lashing tipp for not putting it up to us.
I'm lashing lads coming on here telling us the Munster championship is a farce.
Would you be suggesting the same for Leinster? How big is the gap between Dublin and Carlow? Or Louth?

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2013 16:25:45    1391510

Total farce outdated!! munster and connacht especially connacht jokes really

lilywhitemagic (Kildare) - Posts: 1693 - 26/05/2013 17:02:07    1391570

Does not matter really about the relative strengths or weaknesses of each province. At this moment in time there are 2 teams from Munster, 2 from Ulster 1 from Connacht and 1 from Leinster ahead of the rest. There might be 12 counties in Leinster but most of them are at the same level so would not matter if there was only 2 or 3 counties in that province. Granted a county out of the top 6 might put on a good run but ultimately it is always a few counties where SAM will be destined for. And if you look at the last 40 years only a small band of counties out of this top 6 have won the big prize. No point in going on about if such a county was in another province it would have a better chance of winning the ultimate. The cream usually rises to the top irrespective of which province it comes from.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1996 - 26/05/2013 17:24:07    1391601

westkerry
County: Kerry
Posts: 248

1391481

Do you see us whinging about the Munster hurling championship?


Ah now, WestKerry, Kerry don't play in the Munster Senior Hurling championship.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 26/05/2013 18:44:23    1391732

here here, time to try one of two things I think

1) NFL style, two conferences say National Gaelic Conference and Irish Gaelic Conference. 16 teams in each side, the winner of each conference represents themselves and the conference in the All Ireland. The conferences would be constant each year..

2) 8x4 Champions League format.


Putting Provincial championships on hold for 1-3 years really wont make a difference, the world wont end, players wont stop playing, people wont stop supporting.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 26/05/2013 18:54:42    1391748

I would have no problem at all with a league or champions league style system played over the summer. I think it would help kerry as the more games the better it would give new players more playing time. The farce really is kerry playing waterford in six days and then six weeks till munster final and another five or six weeks until the qualifiers or the quarters and the same with cork that is not helping anyone.

chicago09 (Kerry) - Posts: 694 - 26/05/2013 19:20:29    1391781

Think my point was a little lost, I know we don't play in the Munster hurling championship.
My point was that just because 2 teams dominate for me thats not a reason to change.
We should be looking at the coaching/development in those counties.
Imagine a so called weaker county winning a Munster or Leinster?
When Clare won it in the early 90s and Laois/Westmeath won in Leinster for those
counties that was like an All Ireland win.

Just my opinion lads

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 26/05/2013 19:31:39    1391795