waynoI
County: Dublin
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Joe McMahon should have seen red for his stamp anyway

A stamp implies some sort of downward motion of which there was none. You really seem to be massively offended by what was a fairly innocuous little flick out with the leg by McMahon. This is the 3rd thread I think I've seen you give out about it.

I've watched it again and Wayneo I've no idea how you are so het up about a fairly tame flick.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 27/05/2013 10:29:15    1392200

51longago
County: Mayo
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Donegal deserved their victory but i hold my hands up i really dont like them or the style of team and supporters.

I think most of us had figured this out quite a while ago to be honest 51

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 27/05/2013 10:34:47    1392211

Was at the Donegal Vs. Tyrone game yesterday, and I have to say that both teams are as cynical as each other.

Wherity grabbed McMahons leg but maybe the ref only seen McMahon 'kicking out' (for want of a better term as it wasnt exactly a kick) at Wherity. It looked worse than it actually was. If someone grabs your leg your immediate reaction is to try to pull your leg away, which can be argued to look like kicking or stamping).

Murphy seemed genuinely hurt when he went down in the second half. He was tripped but it didnt seem too bad, but he was limping for a while after.

Some very strange refereeing decisions made yesterday, yellow cards handed out for nothing offenses and too lenient on some of the more dangerous tackles.

I dont think Joe McMahon should have been sent off and Tyrone should have had a penalty (although I think the ref may have given 'advantage' for it, which if he did, then Cavanagh comitted a foul straight afterwards by charging at a Donegal defender anyway...).

hashtag (Donegal) - Posts: 37 - 27/05/2013 11:15:09    1392256

Well to be honest, I have been saying it for a long time. Donegal are the most cynical team in the country. I would describe their cynicism as very polished, almost routine. It is their subtly that makes them so effective at it. Now before the onslaught, Im not being critical of them, it is becoming part of the game. My point is that they have it off more than anyone else, and get more out of it than anyone else. The arguments of whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is not really the point.
One thing I will say is that this building up of mcguinness in the media as some higher power football deity is part of the whole thing. It casts them in a certain light, and to be honest I think this is being done on purpose. If we look at the AI final we see that their opponents were cast in a very different light, even though in reality they were singing off the same hymn sheet, and probably using a poorer version than donegal. Certain media outlets appear to be in donegal's backroom staff.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 27/05/2013 12:09:44    1392328

TheMaster

Seriously give over about the All Ireland final! You could count yourselves lucky you weren't 10 points down after 10 minutes and it wasn't anything to do with being cynical. There was nothing done different yesterday that good teams for the past 30 years haven't been doing. Nothing that Mayo haven't been doing in recent years. There is no conspiracy. We aren't better at it. We could have been punished yesterday but Tyrone missed their chances and we didn't. It really is as simple as that

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1450 - 27/05/2013 12:26:56    1392359

Master
I go a certain distance down the road with you. I think Donegal are quite cynical & have found new & subtle ways of spoiling the opposition's momentum. But it is up to the referee & his officials to sort it out. At the top level you will take whatever advantage you can get that gives you a slight edge & if rules are being broken then punish the transgressors.
For my own part I don' like the leg pulling or verbals that the sideline engage in but it is up to the referee to put a stop to it.
When you see Dylan Hartley getting 11 weeks for verbally abusing the referee then that would put a stop to it in double quick time.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 27/05/2013 13:00:53    1392411

Where is Eugene Mcgee and his Quango now 3000 surveys and yet all they could come up with was a black card. It takes so long for the GAA to change a rule its laughable. Yellow cards should be accumulative with a ban after two. Wherity should have got a yellow card and so should Mcfadden a few minutes later. Its painful to watch blatent cynical cheating at every opportunity. Donegal are good enough without the cheating but that can't be proved as its integral to the system.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 261 - 27/05/2013 13:24:03    1392443

Muckross, I wouldnt argue any of that. Im merely saying donegal have, as you say developed it further. The thing with the media is something I dont like though. Although in fairness, if some media outlets are willing to put their reputation on the line to attempt to influence things in a biased manner that that is on their own head as opposed to donegal's. I dont only refer to the AI final here. Every game that is on tv we hear about the greatness of everything JM does, his way of thinking, his great personality, his genius on the game of football. It is all staged in my opinion. We can see how seriously mcguinness treats the media, re the niall bogue debacle, and the levels of preperation they go to also. The reality is though, the more people see this, the more donegal will become a little alienated from the public. At the end of the day, nobody likes the idea of being brainwashed and that is the feeling such tactics generate. We are hearing the phrase 'psychology mumbo jumbo' more and more when JM is mentioned, and that is because at present JM can come across a bit too sweet to be wholesome. It will come to the point where people will be hoping donegal go out and get a good hiding simply because they will be sick of listening to all this guff about what is at the end of the day, a football team playing a tactic, and I include officials in that.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 27/05/2013 13:53:54    1392486

I would have a bit of an advantage here Master in that I actually know the man & hard & all as it might be to believe but he is a very likeable fella. He is also bright & has thought about the game in a way that not many others do. As for the press & media blowing him up well that's what the media do. He is the darling this month & when someone else comes along the he will be cast aside. As for the media being manipulated by Donegal, that is off the mark. They have enough to be doing without brainwashing the hard bitten media types.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 27/05/2013 14:25:52    1392535

How do you mean he has thought about the game in a way not many others do?

This is the kinda rubbish that drives me insane.Everyone is putting him out there to be a Bill shankly/jock stein/ fergie or a heffo/ Micko in gaa terms.He's bloody well not.He played his part in winning an all Ireland in a managerial role for a decent side, sin e.

If he goes onto win 3/4 sams then he has his right in a hall of fame as a legendary manager.

Sean Boylan was a mighty manager and there wasn't a fraction of the hysteria that surrounds the whole jimmmyism.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 27/05/2013 14:40:49    1392556

51longago
County: Mayo
Posts: 2265

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How do you mean he has thought about the game in a way not many others do?

This is the kinda rubbish that drives me insane.Everyone is putting him out there to be a Bill shankly/jock stein/ fergie or a heffo/ Micko in gaa terms.He's bloody well not.He played his part in winning an all Ireland in a managerial role for a decent side, sin e.

If he goes onto win 3/4 sams then he has his right in a hall of fame as a legendary manager.

Sean Boylan was a mighty manager and there wasn't a fraction of the hysteria that surrounds the whole jimmmyism.

Even allowing for your hatred & bile towards all things Donegal you are surpassing yourself here.
A man comes in and takes over a team of misfits who are rated 19th in Ireland & moulds them into the top team in the country in two years using, amongst other things, some innovative ideas tactics & preparation & you lose the rag.
Yesterday alone, he nullified Morgan's effectiveness with long frees by putting not one, not two but three big men in front of him cutting off his view of the posts. I guarantee you everyone, Mayo included will copy him & do the same.
All those men you mentioned I agree are managerial greats & JMcG has a long way to go before he is in their bracket, but that has nothing to do with him being innovative in his thinking.
When you say that this stuff drives you insane I would agree that you probably are insane, but it is a condition that almost certainly predates JMcG's appearance on the footballing scene. In your case I'd say the signs have been there for quite some time.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 27/05/2013 18:16:02    1392876