Club or County is a question better asked to players who've actually played both I suppose or better still who've won significant honours with both. Most people if they're honest prefer County, attendance figures prove that but the club is great for local lads and lassies and the few supporters who do turn out, the problem is trying to stay involved after you retire, life just gets in the way.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 20/05/2013 18:56:14    1387685

Snuf,

Why is Dublin a different club scene as oppose to lets say my own Galway, I know its a city and most clubs are in urbanized but surely ye still have defined club boundaries?

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 20/05/2013 19:05:26    1387697

crossfieldball,

Take it up with hill16no1fan!.....I aint saying theres a difference lad! Read my posts again!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 20/05/2013 19:30:22    1387739

Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
Posts: 6026

1387640
the usual rubbish talk of the parish this or that,thats fine when they are in their own county but in a city like dublin its a totaly differant club scene.
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'Big Club attitude'!......tell that to the folks of:

Garristown,
Stars of Erin,
The Wild Geese,
Man-O-War
.....and many other rural Dublin clubs besides!

Dublin is not all concrete and St. Vincent ya'know!!!!

.....Even here in Lucan where we have two parishes combined, Esker & Lucan ( St Patricks & St Marys). We have a 'Battle of the Parishes' every year in both codes between the two of them within the club!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

im not part of abig club at all and thats my point its worse outside of big clubs the attitude is one of always being bitter towards the more succesful clubs.as for the parish malarky how many of them actualy attend mass i ask?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/05/2013 19:39:39    1387751

crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 275

1387697
Snuf,

Why is Dublin a different club scene as oppose to lets say my own Galway, I know its a city and most clubs are in urbanized but surely ye still have defined club boundaries?

because quite simply people move in dublin from one area to another quite easily and parish rules do not apply at all,these guys running the clubs have no problem with guys from the country coming and going but yet when dublin born guy attempts to switch club he has not a hope due to that mentality from chairmans past own county club.
most if not nearly all clubs in dublin play both football and hurling in fact theres only one or two who are hurling only would you believe.alot of other counties operate hurling or football areas in their countys.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 20/05/2013 19:46:02    1387762

crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 275

1387697 Snuf,

Why is Dublin a different club scene as oppose to lets say my own Galway, I know its a city and most clubs are in urbanized but surely ye still have defined club boundaries?

To fair Snuff is making that point. Dublin and especially areas in fingal are very close knit old stock Dubs.where club is everything, though i was only having this conversation the other day about, Lads from fingal with clubs like fingallions,sylvesters, skerries ,maurs ,ballyboughal ,st margerets and o dwyers to name a few , are some of the best away dub supporters youll find and travel in great groups to matches.


wild geese and man o war to name a few

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 20/05/2013 19:58:04    1387770

Club all the way .
Thing is however - how can a county like Kilkenny cater for both and the rest cannot.?? Was speaking with a colleague from there last year and posed the same question . He quite simply said ' both ...why not !' All players on county team play with there clubs 10 days before All Ireland Finals
Also someone mentioned that clubs can play without their county players .. How could that possibly work ? Do you think a club would want to play a possible 4 pointer without their county players ??

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 20/05/2013 20:24:32    1387799

Finsceal pity kilkenny don't cater for both, (football that is) they are a disgrace to the gaa

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 20/05/2013 20:31:08    1387807

We had this discussion on the Dublin forum so I'll reiterate for the National page. I've had a belly full of inner-club politics, jealousy and back-stabbing to do me for life, Dublin all the way!!!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8821 - 20/05/2013 20:40:01    1387820

Exactly, Kilkenny are the bench mark, we all try to replicate their training regimes but once the club games thing comes up its a non runner. They say what about the possible injuries, almost claiming that the risk of injury is doubled or tripled if club games are played . Iv seen the intensity and frequency that county teams train and play games among themselves and theres just as much risk of injury. Do they think their doctors and physios on hand are better able to protect against it.

As for clubs playing without there county players, I agree it shouldn't be an issue in the case of secondary competitions but championship is a different story. I dont see how outstanding fixtures involving clubs with no county player are held up though. I know in Galway clubs who wouldnt have a over reliance on county lads would get by but the likes of St.Thomas and Portumna would struggle in championship without their county contingent.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 20/05/2013 20:42:29    1387823

RoyalDunne,

Very bitter to say Kilkenny are a disgrace to the GAA Hurling as established as the dominant sport in Kilkenny years before you or I were even born. There people prefer it and thats there preference. They have given so much to the GAA, with their commitment and drive to push hurling to new heights, not to mention there brilliant supporters. They has contributed more than their share to our organisation.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 20/05/2013 20:47:07    1387829

County all the way. Up the Wee County!

OLLIE (Louth) - Posts: 12224 - 20/05/2013 21:21:25    1387878

Crossfield

Dublin is slightly different as regards clubs.

Some people will just play for their local club. This would be more prevalent in areas like North County Dublin and West Dublin. Whatever area/parish you're in you play for that club.

Other people will join a club based on what school they go to which may or may not be their local club.

Others will play for their family club. People travel from different parts of the city/county to play with the club their fathers played with.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 21/05/2013 08:46:19    1387957

Crossfield .other counties including my own are constantly under pressure to give equal time to hurling, look at kildare minors they performed a lot better than kk hurlers. Kk do nothing to promote football, we should be allowed to treat hurling same as they treat football, with total disrespect. Rant over

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 21/05/2013 09:53:53    1387981

Real GAA men are club men. And real GAA men are dual men.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2592 - 21/05/2013 10:07:55    1387985

What they play soccer as well?

Where do they find the time?

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 21/05/2013 10:11:29    1387989

Most Kilkenny GAA people get an opportunity to play football at club level.

The same cannot be said about hurling in a lot of non 'disgrace to the GAA counties'.

They don't make any effort at football at inter-county level but unfortunately for Kilkenny they don't have the luxury of others taking their attitude like the non 'disgrace to the GAA' counties have in hurling.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 21/05/2013 10:25:25    1387995

Its far too arrogant to state that a 'real GAA person puts club first'. I'm with Jimbo on this as i like the inclusiveness of the county. I would state that when i was playing the games that club would of being first but thats just mere opinion as you will naturally spend more time watching GAA than playing it. So when your playing there can be a tendency to get immersed. I pretty much go to every Dublin game and if that doesn't make me a 'real GAA' man, or real Dublin supporter nothing ever will. I know plenty of people who puts their clubs first, many that put county first, but club and county are two sides of the same coin!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 21/05/2013 10:47:13    1388008

Great list of clubs
Wild geese
Fingal Ravens
St Margaret's etc etc many out in the Dublin sticks , great clubs great communities , off out to Margaret's this Saturday , sort of dispels the theory that big city cant have traditional clubs .
Would also like to jump to the defence of Mossy Quinn in an earlier post I mentioned how he spoke enthusiastically about playing and winning a club championship with Vincent's , it was infered in a reply that Mossy would have only felt that as he didnt play in 2011 AI .
Firstly there were two players present both Mossy and Ger Brennan , both came out to do juvenille awards with our club as a favour to a good friend who had played with them in underage Dubs teams , both spoke hugely about the CLUB , both spoke about a love of hurling , Ger explained reasons he chose GAA over a possible rugby career .
They took questions and posed for photos with kids for over an hour and a half , they later agreed to conduct a training session , at a later date which they did , total gentlemen .
As I was present and am aware of context of questions , I find it a little disturbing that Hill16 no1man takes his own opinion and supposes that thats how Mossy would have been thinking or feeling .Hill has no evidence to back this up and frankly is bang out of order , Mossy spoke on end what it was like to be a Dub , what it was like to suffer defeat and humiliation and then to finally get an AI win .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 21/05/2013 11:43:37    1388051

seany16
County: Dublin
Posts: 954

1388008 Its far too arrogant to state that a 'real GAA person puts club first'

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Agree with you on this one…

Sounds like a lad deeply involved in his club… absolutely no harm in that but it's hard to look beyond your own clubs front gate with such tunnel vision

I personally don't think you need to be deeply involved in a club to love our sports

County is for all and I'll say it again… that outweighs my own selfish yearnings any day of the week

Ballymun lost the AI final in 2013 but I wouldn't trade Dublin's 2011 triumph for it… no flipping way!

Perhaps a few of the Ballymun lads involved would... but again it all comes down to the individual.

I'd understand why they'd want too… but personally I wouldn't agree with it at all

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 21/05/2013 11:54:33    1388062