potnorwindow
County: Cavan
Posts: 172


The pundits have a responsibility???
To whom?
Under the auspices of what?


Viewers, advertisers, under the auspices of RTE and its vast army of oppressed Tax payers, all of which is obviously not something that you find particularly worthwhile. The panel are NOT entertainers, they are not there to entertain, they do not entertain, Apres Match are entertainers but Apres match are actually funny and probably much better pundits.


And watching some oul fellah trying to balance his grandfathers ill fitting spectacles on his way too short scrunched up nose, while his "northern twang" becomes a funnelled nasal gale is actually NOT very entertaining nor very insightful. And the way he "rolls and rubs" his hands together while making some outlandish point is disconcerting and evealing. GAA needs to pull the plug completely on this program, there needs to be genuine competition for the really big games. Thye have done ZILCH for the games.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4968 - 22/05/2013 08:31:34    1388694

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 4495

1388526 TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7035

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hill16no1man, frankly nonsense. Let me just go to the bottom line here, if what you say is true then can you explain why teams generally win more games at home than away?

you have already proved why!!!
its psychological


It is part psychological, like any advantage. It isnt totally psychological though. Ground familiarity, more support, these things make it tougher for opponents than yourself, therefore is an advantage.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/05/2013 09:47:10    1388714

Brolly makes these overarching broad statements from a comfortable armchair. Yes we were terrible on Sunday and made Mayo look far better than the reality will probably prove. It does not take a genius to work that out. But to label our footballers as having no interest in the game is a disgrace for a paid pundit. O'Rourke and Spillane while very critical of us and rightly so were far more balanced. Brolly is obsessed with Donegal and McGuinness. You hear the same old stuff each week and his habit of interrupting the other pundits is very amateurish. And it is not sour grapes on my part as i give full credit to Mayo for their win. Their supporters near me had a field day laughing at the 'terrible' state of Galway football but one should remember what comes round goes round.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1996 - 22/05/2013 10:35:04    1388752

Gatekeeper, If you know your football, think about it again please and you will find that Donegal are what one would call cynical, far from the worst at it but cynical. Which like the 14 man defence was originated in the green fields of Tyrone. In my biased opinion I think Donegal are just a very strong phsycal team. Do not confuse this with and unprovoked haymaker being swung at an oponent, with no tactical intent, just intent to hurt injure the oponent, steming from frustration of short temper.

Is that fair to say??

Also good luck on Sunday big man hope ya got a ticket.

fatfrog (Donegal) - Posts: 200 - 22/05/2013 11:18:12    1388789

kiloughter
Their supporters near me had a field day laughing at the 'terrible' state of Galway football but one should remember what comes round goes round.

From what I seen it wasnt near as bad as the last time mayo lost to galway. As you say, what goes around comes around...
Do you still say that galway are man for man every bit as good as mayo by the way? Sure it was just the system, right? I hate to break it to you, but mayo werent playing any system on sunday... They just worked hard and used the ball intelligently.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/05/2013 11:35:40    1388812

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7041
From what I seen it wasnt near as bad as the last time mayo lost to galway. As you say, what goes around comes around...
Do you still say that galway are man for man every bit as good as mayo by the way? Sure it was just the system, right? I hate to break it to you, but mayo werent playing any system on sunday... They just worked hard and used the ball intelligently.

I think they are. They just lack a good manager. I'd say if Horan was after putting two or three years into Galway football in the same way he did with Maigh Eo that they'd be as good them. The difference between the teams on Sunday was that Galway were clueless (as if they never played together before) and Maigh Eo were well tuned, fit, strong and everyman knew their roll.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 22/05/2013 11:41:01    1388822

Arock

It's there to entertain

The RTE format is

Get a straight guy and a controversial guy

Get people ringing in get a reaction

Dunphy soccer
Hook rugby
Spillane football

It targets the grumpadons like you arock and you duly get riled up



I can't see your point regarding tax paying, are you suggesting I don't pay??

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 22/05/2013 11:50:28    1388830

A Rock agree 100% re rte dire coverage of GAA. Dont have a problem re Brolly although he has slated Mayo severely in the past. His action re kidney cast this man in a new light as far as I am concerned He is clearly a man of tremendous generosity so I would take the view that there is no intent to be malicious, just poor judgement at times.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 22/05/2013 11:57:22    1388840

That is wrong culann, you cant attribute everything to the manager. Surely if that was the case then clare would be in the mix up for sam? A whole lot of what occured in that game came from superior footballers. Ger Cafferkey won everything he came near and used it smartly, as did colm boyle, Aidan O'Shea gave the galway midfield a lesson on intelligent midfield play. Dillon and o'connor did the same with forward play. Their attitude, motivation and drive can have something to do with the manager, but their own nous and use of skills is down to their ability.
That is like saying bernard brogan can only kick points because of his manager

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/05/2013 14:07:33    1388977

The Master i think the answer to your question to me is in the Galway version of this forum. For the record i recall the nature of our previous tete a tete was as much to do with systems and cynicism as it did with pound for pound who has the best players. My recollection is that our time was not now but with good underage it will come. Granted i may have to change the timeline on this one but the general sense i have always had is that we do have natural ball players but no system and fortunately or unfortunately have not mastered the basis of modern day football. The guys sent off last Sunday to me is not what i mean by cynical. More so acts of stupidity borne out largely from frustration. I have given yo due credit for you win on the other said forum so no need for me to repeat myself.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1996 - 22/05/2013 16:44:56    1389153

Yes correct!

I'd love to see the Mayo team or anyone else dispensing of the manager and see how the championship would go for them. Of course the manager has a lot to so with it!
Mayo have a cracking manager who will get the most out of Mayo maybe even go all the way, would you suggest that he be given the elbow master?

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 22/05/2013 16:55:27    1389170

kiloughter
The Master i think the answer to your question to me is in the Galway version of this forum. For the record i recall the nature of our previous tete a tete was as much to do with systems and cynicism as it did with pound for pound who has the best players. My recollection is that our time was not now but with good underage it will come.

Ah, no. Your point was that man for man galway were as good as mayo, and it was their systems and tactics that gave mayo the edge. Nothing to do with the future or any of that stuff you are now pushing. What tactics would these be? Play good football and score goals while defending well? Revolutionary stuff alright... How about the idea that mayo are simply a superior side to galway? No tactics or systems, just superior.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/05/2013 16:55:33    1389172

the manager does have a big say in matters as afterall its his style of play that the team goes and uses.
jim mcguinness in donegal is prime example they were never going to win an all ireland until he changed everything to a gameplan he wanted them to play and it worked,a manager cannot win the match on the field but he decides how a team goes about playing so is every bit important.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 22/05/2013 17:48:24    1389259

potnorwindow
County: Cavan
Posts: 185

Tax payers! not you as in the huge army that keep that crap on TV. You do realise this groundbreaking "entertainment concept" is a mere 35 years old on RTE? be it soccer, rugby et all? 35 yeras old!! You obviously like thinks to stay the same.

Its long overdue that the GAA reviews RTE's coverage of IT'S sports. They have been ill-served by this rubbish and while yourself and your mates might find this "entertaining". Its a boring archaic and predictable format and in an effort to remain relevant these grey haired "pundits" take out genuine GAA people who cant respond. But I'm sure you'll find somethign to watch as you down your complan.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4968 - 22/05/2013 18:06:07    1389279

Thought Brolly was like a bold child last weekend. He just kept saying the same guff. Hes watching Armagh Cavan...and talks about Donegal all the time??? He watches Mayo and Galway.....and talks about Donegal!!!

O'Rourke put him in his place a few times. Brolly kept constantly interrupting. Very annoying!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 22/05/2013 19:20:11    1389327

Brolly is entertaining, has a joke or two. But probably could do with stopping interrupting people. They could all do with remembering that they need the co-operation of GAA players and management so should tone down the personal criticism of which they are all guilty.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 22/05/2013 20:05:00    1389357

The Master if you read one of my posts earlier on this thread did i not say and i quote 'While Mayo are ahead of us at the moment 'and on the same thread on the Mayo HS forum did i not say that 'Many Mayo fans here are realistic in that Mayo are better than us' I can't find the post where i said man for man we were as good as you. I certainly would have suggested that because of your system and experience ye were better.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1996 - 22/05/2013 20:37:46    1389373

A mayo poster said that he expects a sterner test from Roscommon than they got from Galway. Well from what I saw of Roscommon in a challenge match against Kildare last night is anything to go by then well you have nothing to worry about. Roscommon seemed to have a full strength team out and Kildare held them scoreless in the first half and I think Roscommon only scored 6 points in the second half.

OntheWhiteSide (Kildare) - Posts: 452 - 22/05/2013 20:57:01    1389379

Bit surprised that RTE are not showing the Munster SFC game between Limerick and Cork saturday night,will be a better game than Kerry v Tipperary on Sunday. limerick always give Cork/Kerry a test,maybe with champions league on Saturday night RTE were limited.

The Louth v Laois match be decent game too,hope the Sunday game higlights show gives decent reports on all matches.

macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1223 - 22/05/2013 21:12:28    1389392

I agree the Rte format is poor and samie across all sports

I agree I'm not particularly entertained but as long as they keep hooking the angry ants they will continue

I also think its bogus having a polemicist to stir things up

But the highlights are poor also

The big point scored by McEnroe that got Cavan out of trouble wasn't shown

Grrrrr

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 22/05/2013 21:51:39    1389430