Great debut from Martin Dunne

9 points...

Scores off both his left and right side

Well done to him and Cavan on a deserved victory

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/05/2013 13:10:17    1387215

Armagh are getting a lot of negative press today;
and fair enough they were poor, but if the definite
goal had been allowed and a few of the Cavan boys had
been sent-off Armagh would have went on to win the game
IMO!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 20/05/2013 13:10:55    1387216

Tom 1916,

I think you misread my point, Yes C.Mc Keever was poor yesterday but all aramgh fans would agree he is the only leader we have, Tony Kieran was good yesterday, in fact it was probably his best game in an orange jersey, aaron is capable of more, but he didn't have a great game, as for Jamie I stand by what I say, he's a good footballer, there can be no question of that, but how good he is is open to debate no matter who you are are what county you're from,

Armagh were poor yesterday - tactics didn't work.... I've watched enough football to know there is something wrong with the make-up:-
1. the county U-21's were brutal this year - there can be no arguments
2. the minors lost this year and last when the game was there to be won ...-it was lost on the line
3. the seniors have tried hard, but it didn't work - there was no plan B
4. the development squads - I worry about them - U-17 especially, its more who you know or related than ability or temperament,
5. There is footballers out there, now is time to look and rebuild - look at Div. 2 and 3A and 3B

for every good day there will always be the other side of the coin.....

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1691 - 20/05/2013 13:16:06    1387224

cuchulainn35

I disagree with your comment on the Development squads. There are a few boys from my club that made the squad and being in Division 3 them boys are there on ability and nothing else.

Orior (Armagh) - Posts: 2 - 20/05/2013 13:28:03    1387246

i agree dunne will be watched tight on our next day out but we have still some great forwards and jack brady didnt get out for long but he might be ok for the next day ,if dunne can get pull two fermanagh defenders away it might open up keating ,mackey.i know armagh will be sick about the goal ,it should of stood but it only cost armagh 2 points ,they scored a free ,i think cavan could of pushed on if the score was tighter if needed ,to be fair i would blame grimley ,when armagh got back to within a point he should of filled in the space mackey and keating were enjoying,that was the time to change it! and tightind up there defence instead of having the thoughts (its only cavan ). had cavan worked on there free taking armagh would of been long out of sight.well done cavan ,fermanagh will be a far bigger test and will have there team set up far better .

bisto kid (Cavan) - Posts: 492 - 20/05/2013 13:31:55    1387251

Come on Armagh get your s***t together!

FairShoulder (Armagh) - Posts: 333 - 20/05/2013 14:11:12    1387316

TheGateKeeper
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1689

1387216
Armagh are getting a lot of negative press today;
and fair enough they were poor, but if the definite
goal had been allowed and a few of the Cavan boys had
been sent-off Armagh would have went on to win the game
IMO!


Not so sure that Cooper wouldn't find your analysis a tad ironic ?

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 20/05/2013 14:23:23    1387337

Dunne getting a lot of praise but to be honest its been years since I have saw an intercounty match where a full forward could get out in front and be simply faced with his man and nobody else all game long. There was so much space it was unbelievable. Dunne was able to just get his hands to the ball and kick the balls over at ease without being under any pressure, I doubt he would score too many against Donegal or Tyrone. I appreciate Grimleys ideology, but its not going to work in this day and age. I'm a Tyrone man and find it amazing for anyone to question Jamie Clarke. At this minute in time, I would have him as the best forward in the Country. If he played for one of the big teams he would be unstoppable. His ability to turn so quickly coupled with his speed and agility make him near unmarkable. Yesterday is a sign of the modern game, Cavan simply crowded him out anytime he got the ball, he got one sniff and got a goal. Armagh were pretty brutal at times yesterday, yet still could have clawed something out of this game. Forker just seems to stick the boot to the ball without looking up for any alternative options, Aaron Kernan is looking more and more leggy each year and Kieran McKeever was taken to the cleaners yesterday too.

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 20/05/2013 14:42:02    1387362

Colm Keys in the independent that deegan failed to give cavan players yellow cards in the first half which would have stop the continuous fouling throughout the match

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1949 - 20/05/2013 14:44:18    1387367

Keating, Dunne and Mackey impressed. Keating seemed to behind most of the attacking. Felt Deegan destroyed the protential for a real game when calling back Jamie Clarke for his goal. Armagh had started with much more purpose. Shortly afterwards further out Clarke was pulled back twice and nothing doing.
Not sure the notion of Armagh playing like Crossmaglen is solidly based - not the same players and Inter-county is not Club football. The standard is much higher and teams much better prepared so the template is unlikely to be as effective.

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 20/05/2013 14:52:18    1387382

cuchulainn35
County: Armagh
Posts: 733

1387224
Tom 1916,

I think you misread my point, Yes C.Mc Keever was poor yesterday but all aramgh fans would agree he is the only leader we have, Tony Kieran was good yesterday, in fact it was probably his best game in an orange jersey, aaron is capable of more, but he didn't have a great game, as for Jamie I stand by what I say, he's a good footballer, there can be no question of that, but how good he is is open to debate no matter who you are are what county you're from

Afraid not, I wouldn't regard McKeever as a leader in any shape or form (I know Ciaran well and I like him) a leader needs to have a certain temperament etc. As for Jamie he is obviously rated by the selectors as the best in the county in his position and I don't think there's any question as to the fact that he's a very good footballer. Perhaps the cross boys are hindering Armagh as some would claim and maybe it is time for Armagh to play a few matches without them.

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 20/05/2013 14:53:49    1387384

Lads the ref should've given Clarke the advantage but he blew the whistle and our defence stopped so whatever happened after the whistle it moot, get over it. The better team won.

It's great to see a Monaghan man still bitter about getting beat by Cavan in the league despite them getting promoted anyway! Shows how much Cavan means to some of ye! :)

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 20/05/2013 15:10:20    1387412

Armagh were dire. In watching them since 1990 I have never see such defending. You wouldn't mind a team being useless if at least they got stuck in and threw a bit of weight around. Armagh are too light weight and hadn't the heart to match Cavan. Cavan to be fair to them they play a lot harder now than they used to and seemed to have manned up a bit unlike us. Whats with this all out attack rubbish? We're not Mayo. Cross are dabbling at this craic too but its all right against weak opposition but we were found out against Brigids this year. Time to bring a bit of steel back to Armagh football and start crunching a few bones.

Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 145 - 20/05/2013 15:16:50    1387427

Breffni39, the referee didn't affect the outcome of the Jamie Clarke 'goal', the Cavan players were trying their best to get to him but couldn't - they didn't stop. He roasted his man and put it in the top corner.

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 20/05/2013 15:25:08    1387436

Geoff but the keeper stopped. He would have caught it otherwise. All joking aside though goal should have stood but I think Cavan would have responded. In the minor game Armagh scored a goal after the whistle was blown and the referee allowed the goal. Very inconsistent.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 20/05/2013 15:54:04    1387476

There's no doubt that the Armagh were hard done by yesterday official wise and battered about a bit by Cavan but come on how many times have Armagh done this to other players and teams? I don't think they can complain about Jamie Clarke being whacked when Armagh and Crossmaglen have been past masters of the physical stuff.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 20/05/2013 16:13:16    1387501

I have no complaints about the goal not standing in that Cavan would have won and as mentioned, Armagh have benefitted a lot over the years due to bad calls (2005 Ulster Final replay still riles me). Armagh just don't seem to be producing top quality footballers of late. Another summer starts and we find ourselves talking about bad calls, will referee's here ever get up to an acceptable level?

geoff (Tyrone) - Posts: 377 - 20/05/2013 16:40:07    1387531

Nobody interested in Eugene Keating's clear point that was waved wide? Very selective discussions here....

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 20/05/2013 17:05:55    1387574

Only difference in those teams yesterday was the line. Grimley hung his two young full backs out to dry - totally unfair on them.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 20/05/2013 17:16:38    1387588

That point of keating looked over but the whole ball has to be inside the post if a fraction of the ball was over the post its wide.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1949 - 20/05/2013 17:23:25    1387598