Armagh's defensive system was ridiculous to be fair. I found myself cringing every time there was 1 on 1 situations when Cavan were attacking, hoping that the poor defender wouldn't be roasted. Still though, Cavan were impressive, a very fit team and I would give them every chance of making an Ulster Final. One thing however is a problem is the cynical fouling. When the black card comes in next year, teams like Cavan will suffer and maybe those like Armagh will benefit.

MarkMyWords (Meath) - Posts: 526 - 19/05/2013 21:39:02    1386903

There was optimism in the Armagh camp because they defeated Galway easily - well we now know Galway are ver poor -

Well from an Armagh point of view the problems were:-

1. we couldn't defend - very poor
2. midfield was ok compared to previous years, but we rely to much on jamie clarke
3. jamie clarke - is good but is he as good as armagh fans think - he didn't score today, although his goal should have been allowed
4. the ref. deegan was very poor - cavan were cynical ( fair play) and should have had a man sent off
5. This is the 2nd yr in a row that the minors, u-21 and seniors were knocked out in the first round...
6. Who is to blame......Paul Gimley is trying and has blooded some players, but in reality we are lacking players with experience and quality, at the moment we have only Ciaran McKeever and j. Clarke

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1691 - 19/05/2013 21:59:59    1386932

I was impressed by An Cabhán yesterday. This should give them confidence to go and win a few more games this year. Fair play to Terry Hyland. A great goal too. A brilliant 30 + yard pass and a great finish.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 20/05/2013 08:34:53    1386946

thought Armagh were very young in fairness to them and were the victims of a propaganda machine. Cavan were higely underestimated and have a lot of talent.However this myth you often hear that 15 crossmagelen men would beat any county was well and truely dispelled as the few cross men who 'started' the game wern't up to scratch, particularly their full back who had a nightmare game.

offtheground1 (Down) - Posts: 128 - 20/05/2013 08:59:31    1386959

I actually thought Armagh would have beaten Cavan had the Jamie Clarke goal been allowed. They looked to be starting to find their feet at that stage.

In fairness I think they have potential, and if given more time they could well continue and build a strong outfit.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 20/05/2013 09:08:42    1386966

shaggylegend
County: Monaghan
Posts: 816

1386880
Well on viewing today game i would like to congratulate Cavan. But there tactics and dirty strokes are disgusting and they done to Armagh in the first half what they done to monaghan in the league they targeted Clarke and he got a yellow card Cavan where hoping for red. There backs dropped knees on his chest shame thing they done on McManus that night in Breffni.
If Monaghan are playing Cavan in the ulster semi final i would appeal to the Monaghan management to employ the mayo tactics and highlight this nasty but successful ploy cavan adopt. Monaghan should talk to the media and get the referee's attention in the build up to the match to highlight this disgusting part of cavan play.

That's rich, coming from a Monaghan man. Did you watch any of your own championship matches last year by any chance?

MikePattonIsGod (Cavan) - Posts: 14 - 20/05/2013 09:12:34    1386967

cuchulainn35
County: Armagh
Posts: 732

1386932
There was optimism in the Armagh camp because they defeated Galway easily - well we now know Galway are ver poor -

Well from an Armagh point of view the problems were:-

1. we couldn't defend - very poor
2. midfield was ok compared to previous years, but we rely to much on jamie clarke
3. jamie clarke - is good but is he as good as armagh fans think - he didn't score today, although his goal should have been allowed
4. the ref. deegan was very poor - cavan were cynical ( fair play) and should have had a man sent off
5. This is the 2nd yr in a row that the minors, u-21 and seniors were knocked out in the first round...
6. Who is to blame......Paul Gimley is trying and has blooded some players, but in reality we are lacking players with experience and quality, at the moment we have only Ciaran McKeever and j. Clarke

Jamie Clarke was marked by 2 or 3 defenders, no one got the ball to him but when they did (once) he scored a goal. To rate Ciaran McKeever higher than Aaron or Tony Kernan (Armaghs best player on the day) is nonsense (all due respect).

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 20/05/2013 09:41:26    1386976

shaggylegend
County: Monaghan
Posts: 816
1386880 Well on viewing today game i would like to congratulate Cavan. But there tactics and dirty strokes are disgusting and they done to Armagh in the first half what they done to monaghan in the league they targeted Clarke and he got a yellow card Cavan where hoping for red. There backs dropped knees on his chest shame thing they done on McManus that night in Breffni.
If Monaghan are playing Cavan in the ulster semi final i would appeal to the Monaghan management to employ the mayo tactics and highlight this nasty but successful ploy cavan adopt. Monaghan should talk to the media and get the referee's attention in the build up to the match to highlight this disgusting part of cavan play.


Talk about the kettle calling the pot black!! I think you should have a look at your own hard men before you start throwing stones. But I suppose it is only to be expected coming from some Monaghan men. They continually are jealous of Cavan and there is never a word of praise. What a showere of bitter little men ye are. I was at the League game in Breffni and Monaghan were no angels ,I can guarantee that. Do you remember when it was said that Monaghan club football was the roughest in Ireland? Also are you ignoring Antrim and Fermanagh for a Semifinal slot? So just crawl back under your little stone and come out when we have a few more Ulster Titles won. Slan leat.
Cavan Abu.

Brownred (Cavan) - Posts: 229 - 20/05/2013 09:50:37    1386987

Management looked very poor for Armagh. They didn't look as fit as Cavan. They didn't have a clear game plan. Their work rate was poor. They didn't look fired up for the game. They started an 18 year old who'd never played before and then took him off. They left the same player on Cavan's full forward for most of the game. About 5 players played well. Looked clueless on the line.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2592 - 20/05/2013 10:35:59    1387029

icehonesty
County: Wexford
Posts: 1198

1387029 Management looked very poor for Armagh. They didn't look as fit as Cavan. They didn't have a clear game plan. Their work rate was poor. They didn't look fired up for the game. They started an 18 year old who'd never played before and then took him off. They left the same player on Cavan's full forward for most of the game. About 5 players played well. Looked clueless on the line.

You are spot on there. Unlike Gaillimh however you'd expect Grimley to get things right for a run in the qualifiers. I think it was just an off day for them.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 20/05/2013 10:43:03    1387035

Its not Jealously i admire Cavan's success but the success could be limited with the introduction of the Black Card. Do you want to point out any games in Particular in the Monaghan Championship or is that just a general mud slinging without any fact. Cavan pulled and dragged all day kept confronting Armagh players when they we going to take the quick free. Brownred is it right for Cavan players to drop knees on a players chest both Killian Brady and Cian Mackey where guilty of it yesterday. That night in Breffni Cavan got a Monaghan player sent off who never got dismissed in his life. Cavan have had a red card in 80 percent of there matches. An a lot of straight reds too. Cavan Played with only four forwards yesterday and 9 backs and Givney in midfield. If we beat Antrim and thats a big if. Fermanagh have lost home advantage which to their bonus as Cavan like brewster park. I'd like to see Cavan do well but if you's don't think some of the tricks Cavan play aren't dirty, You's are lying to yourselves

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1949 - 20/05/2013 10:44:24    1387037

Armagh were never gonna win this game. Cavan dominated for 55-60 mins and deserved their win. No amount of ifs or buts or blaming the ref will change that. Armagh weren't great but they were a far sight better than galway were so Cavan deserve all the credit. When there was a whiff of a Armagh comeback they applied themselves and drove home the win.

Floops (Dublin) - Posts: 1623 - 20/05/2013 10:46:23    1387041

dont think armagh are as bad as the papers today would have you believe. however there were huge flaws in this armagh team. Jamie clarke was marked by 3 or 4.. so does that mean armagh had 3 or 4 free forwards? silly decision to start an 18 year old. feel sorry for him, media made him into a superstar. should not have taken off forker, needed to switch up the full back line as the cavan full forwards ran riot. lost on the line

themoderngame1 (Down) - Posts: 39 - 20/05/2013 11:05:58    1387064

shaggy ledgend.... Do u not remember martin dunne got sent off for no reason that night... and dick clerkin was no saint that night either.. u are only remembering wat suits u... dick should walked several times

sammaguire1 (Cavan) - Posts: 279 - 20/05/2013 11:50:32    1387114

Yes,Joe Brolly crossed a line yesterday caling Paul Grimley clueless. However, the Paul and the county board do need to take note. All the pundits were in agreement that Armagh's tactics were wrong. We need experienced county-level defenders to play Paul's game.

Orior (Armagh) - Posts: 2 - 20/05/2013 12:24:22    1387153

shaggy legend.... Do u not remember martin dunne got sent off for no reason that night... and dick clerkin was no saint that night either.. u are only remembering wat suits u... dick should walked several times.

Correct dick should have been sent off its was mystifying how he didn't get sent off. Martin Dunne struck Colin Walshe with a blow into the ribs on the forty five beside the stand on the town end.
saw it with my own eyes as i happened to be in the middle of stand that night. A strike or attempted strike is a Red Card. Dunne was stupid what he done. McManus was provoked and stupid to react as well but Cavan have a NASTY element to their play.
Eoin Mulligan said Brady should have been sent off so to Martin O'Reilly. McLoughlan pulled and dragged all day and wasn't shown the line. Deegan done ya's no harm at all.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1949 - 20/05/2013 12:39:03    1387169

Armagh missing Andy Mallon and James Morgan big time. But ya can't leave 40 yards of space in front of the full back line its just criminal.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1949 - 20/05/2013 12:40:28    1387174

Watched the game with some amazement yesterday. I dont understand how Armagh have gone so badly backwards in recent years. There is only one game in the county, and there must be players, particularly with Cross so strong. Cavan were good to a point, they will struggle to find the scoring options the next day as their young full forward will be marked out of it. But I could b wrong. It bodes well for Ulster football to have new teams coming thru but I think Armagh will have to go totally back to the drawing board, they were so poor particularly in the middle.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3858 - 20/05/2013 12:53:24    1387186

Losing last year to a poor/average Roscommon side. A disappointing Div 2 League campaign where they needed a win on the final day, along with another result, to stay up. A mostly inexperienced line-up for an away tie in the Ulster Championship. A few regular players out injured. It was a recipe for disaster in a lot of ways. Though we still thought that Armagh would be fine because they have Jamie Clarke and a few others to get them by. But yesterday looked like a classic case of "we're Armagh, they're Cavan, we'll just turn up with 15 footballer better than them and win the game". Yes Grimley was a little naive, but calling him clueless was a bit much. I was surprised he did get it so wrong for a man who has been about the place, including in Cavan. They need a bit of luck in the qualifiers now, and certainly wouldn't want another Ulster team for a couple of rounds yet.

On the plus side, Armagh v Galway would be a fantastic game of open football

EnolaGay (Tyrone) - Posts: 653 - 20/05/2013 13:01:53    1387201

Typically in Gaa when a team loses they get hammered and the other team gets all the praise. That game could have been won by Armqgh and then it would have been naive Cavan resilient Armagh. Cavan could have had 2 more goals and Armagh had other chances its not absolute failure to lose a game, things go against you and sometimes the other team plays well?

potnorwindow (Cavan) - Posts: 363 - 20/05/2013 13:03:50    1387205