"Donegal bring out the worst in teams"??? What a load of arrogant, patronising, jealous nonsense. Donegal are a physically strong defensive side who break out at speed and get some great scores; they set out their stall and invite others to work it out. What are they meant to do, stand aside and allow the opposition to stride on by? The way they move the ball forward rapidly is great to watch sometimes and a lot of the criticism they get is begrudging, bitter and a touch partitionist EVEN though they are the in the Republic. When they are playing they are fascinating to watch.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 16/06/2013 21:33:25    1408267

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County: Antrim
Posts: 6119

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"Donegal bring out the worst in teams"??? What a load of arrogant, patronising, jealous nonsense. Donegal are a physically strong defensive side who break out at speed and get some great scores; they set out their stall and invite others to work it out. What are they meant to do, stand aside and allow the opposition to stride on by? The way they move the ball forward rapidly is great to watch sometimes and a lot of the criticism they get is begrudging, bitter and a touch partitionist EVEN though they are the in the Republic. When they are playing they are fascinating to watch.

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Exactly, maybe because it has absolutely nothing to do with where they dwell in the country. People don't like watching them because they only play 2-3 forwards, they play the best 14 in the country at midfield most of the time, they cynically foul and when they are holding a lead they simply push everyone back into defence. I agree they counter very well, but they are NOT fascinating to watch.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 17/06/2013 08:53:05    1408336

And then there were 4
Donegal 3/10
Monaghan 13/2
Down13/2
Cavan 10/1

bladecx (Monaghan) - Posts: 147 - 17/06/2013 11:38:46    1408588

Great thread, it's impossible to know who has made the most brainless contribution!

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 17/06/2013 11:58:11    1408618

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I would love to say next weekends game will be another cracker (like the Derry-Down game), but Donegal tend to bring the worst out in teams. Down will need to play defensively to stay in the game, Donegal could well be the more attacking side. I actually expect Down to dominate possession, but Donegal to win picking off Down on the counter attack.

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
Posts: 6119

1408267
"Donegal bring out the worst in teams"??? What a load of arrogant, patronising, jealous nonsense. Donegal are a physically strong defensive side who break out at speed and get some great scores; they set out their stall and invite others to work it out. What are they meant to do, stand aside and allow the opposition to stride on by? The way they move the ball forward rapidly is great to watch sometimes and a lot of the criticism they get is begrudging, bitter and a touch partitionist EVEN though they are the in the Republic. When they are playing they are fascinating to watch.

Now Ulsterman.

The comment that you label as "a touch partitionist" came from someone from the 6 against a team from the Republic.

I'm glad to see you;ve finally begun to see that it cuts both ways. I feel we've really made a breakthrough here!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 17/06/2013 12:03:18    1408626

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1407709 GaryMc82
County: Derry
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Is it me, or could Cavan vs Monaghan in an Ulster SF be the grudge match of the year?

That is if Fermanagh don't beat Cavan today.

I think it'd be a great match up.

I heard the Cavan v Monaghan league game was a bit of a sledging match, but I didnt see it. This could be a real melting pot of a game, two neighbours playing a massive derby championship game, with a massive prize of an Ulster final at stake.

There seems to be a bit of bitter rivalry between both sets of fans too, which always adds to the mix. I didn't see Monaghan's win over Antrim, but I was impressed with Cavan's positional play against Fermanagh. Dunne looks like a Jamie Clarke style player.

Who looked the better side during the league match earlier in the year?

Do any of the Cavan or Monaghan fans reckon this game will explode into a brawl?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 17/06/2013 17:02:22    1409073

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County: Derry
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I think it'd be a great match up.

I heard the Cavan v Monaghan league game was a bit of a sledging match, but I didnt see it. This could be a real melting pot of a game, two neighbours playing a massive derby championship game, with a massive prize of an Ulster final at stake. Referee lost control of the game almost from the word go. 3 Monaghan men got the line and 2 Cavan players got it, and others should have walked too. Yes it was very rough, but Cavan dominated the game from start to finish and ran out comfortable winners. Monaghan thought all they had to do was show up that evening.

There seems to be a bit of bitter rivalry between both sets of fans too, which always adds to the mix. I didn't see Monaghan's win over Antrim, but I was impressed with Cavan's positional play against Fermanagh. Dunne looks like a Jamie Clarke style player. Well all I can say from a Cavan perspective is we're certainly not bitter towards them as they have nothing worth being bitter over. The last Ulster title between the sides belongs to us, theirs came way back in the 80's or something.

Who looked the better side during the league match earlier in the year? We did.

Do any of the Cavan or Monaghan fans reckon this game will explode into a brawl? I certainly hope not, we're bringing a very promising but inexperienced team to Clones, and whatever they put out we'll hope to beat it. It will certainly not go down well with Monaghan to see a young Cavan team beating them in Clones. I think after our recent underage success the Monaghans knew this day was coming, now they can't face the thought of losing.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 17/06/2013 17:25:07    1409106

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Posts: 1926

1409106 GaryMc82
County: Derry
Posts: 522


I think it'd be a great match up.

I heard the Cavan v Monaghan league game was a bit of a sledging match, but I didnt see it. This could be a real melting pot of a game, two neighbours playing a massive derby championship game, with a massive prize of an Ulster final at stake. Referee lost control of the game almost from the word go. 3 Monaghan men got the line and 2 Cavan players got it, and others should have walked too. Yes it was very rough, but Cavan dominated the game from start to finish and ran out comfortable winners. Monaghan thought all they had to do was show up that evening.

Do you think now that Monaghan know how good Cavan are, they might up prepare accordingly and offer a much stronger challenge this time?

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 17/06/2013 17:37:28    1409130

Jaysus, by the chat of some boys on here,
a man could be fooled into thinking that
the Drumlin belt is a war-zone on a par
with the Gaza strip!
It will be a hard hitting affair on the
field, the youth of Cavan against the
guile and experience of Monaghan, maybe a
sending off and a few bookings, but that'll
be it! In my experience, both sets of
supporters are as pleasant as you'd meet.
Cavan to win by a point.

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 17/06/2013 17:41:29    1409140

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County: Tyrone
Posts: 1842

1409140 Jaysus, by the chat of some boys on here,
a man could be fooled into thinking that
the Drumlin belt is a war-zone on a par
with the Gaza strip!
It will be a hard hitting affair on the
field, the youth of Cavan against the
guile and experience of Monaghan, maybe a
sending off and a few bookings, but that'll
be it! In my experience, both sets of
supporters are as pleasant as you'd meet.
Cavan to win by a point.

I don't think anybody was questioning the Integrity of either set of supporters. I personally did comment on the fact the earlier comments showed a level of bitterness between the two counties. I suppose thats what happens when a rising team starts beating a seasoned team on the way down. Kinda like Donegal beating Tyrone :-).

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 17/06/2013 18:00:42    1409172

Garymc, in a way you are very like you're fellow county-man Joe Brolly,
you rarely mention your, preferring to bask in the glory of your neighbour's,
where's your self-respect man! LOL

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 17/06/2013 18:10:22    1409178

I don't think anybody was questioning the Integrity of either set of supporters. I personally did comment on the fact the earlier comments showed a level of bitterness between the two counties. I suppose thats what happens when a rising team starts beating a seasoned team on the way down. Kinda like Donegal beating Tyrone :-).
garymc82



LOL, good man gary, Joe has competition for Derry's greatest Donegal fan!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 17/06/2013 18:18:35    1409193

When it comes to Cavan Vs Monaghan I can't help but be reminded of a quote by the great Bill Shankly, former Liverpool boss.


"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that"

:)

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 17/06/2013 18:28:13    1409201

jesus I cannot wait for the Monaghan V Cavan game! Already booked off the Monday 2 :)

white.n.blue (Monaghan) - Posts: 249 - 17/06/2013 18:44:31    1409219

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County: Tyrone
Posts: 1849

1409178 Garymc, in a way you are very like you're fellow county-man Joe Brolly,
you rarely mention your, preferring to bask in the glory of your neighbour's,
where's your self-respect man! LOL

I must have hit a nerve GateKeeper.

Joe Brolley is a highly Intelligent, articulate and shockingly blunt and honest in his football opinions. He has openly stated if he were parochial instead of honest, He would be tipping Derry for an All Ireland every year.

Derry have come on leaps & bounds under Brian McIver, but in all honesty are still a good bit behind the likes of Dublin, Cork, Donegal, Mayo, Kerry and Tyrone. We seen that against Down in the 2nd half, where Down were that bit ahead of Derry in the conditioning stakes and were able to push on.

In my honest opinion, 2013 National league Division 1 featured the top 8 teams in the Country without a doubt. That's not to say that the final Division 1 table standings reflected who was the strongest. When talking about the Ulster Championship or the All Ireland Championship, would it really be honest for me to say Derry are in the running or keep banging on about Derry?

I don't think it would, I'm not that far up my own arse that I can't see the truth. Derry will emerge soon enough as a serious contender for the Ulster Championship and maybe then push on for an All Ireland. When that day arrives, I will be backing them to the hilt.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 17/06/2013 19:58:46    1409312

I think it will a fierce encounter but Cavan have had the experience of Fermanagh in the quarter and that was fairly tough so they will be ready. Monaghan have some very good footballers and they will rightly be favourites but this Cavan team are growing in experience and confidence with every outing and even if they do get bet I reckon they could do well in the qualifiers. However it's the best chance in a long time that we both have to get to a provincial final and there will be no quarter asked or given. I hope it stays 15 - 15 for the entire game. I hate to see sendings off as it often ruins the game for both teams.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 17/06/2013 20:13:58    1409337

I would be quite suprised if there isn't at least one red card in the Monaghan Cavan game to be honest. The scrappy game in the league with and the fact it is such a big game for both teams will have the players right on the edge of what is legal. Impossible game to referee id say.

Who do ye reckon will be favourit with the bookies? Id imagine it will only be a one point spread either way.

white.n.blue (Monaghan) - Posts: 249 - 17/06/2013 20:33:22    1409369

Donegal 1/6 Down 5/1 Draw 10/1

Monaghan 4/6 Cavan 6/4 Draw 15/2

could Down sneak a draw?.Donegal have a potential injury concerns.

bladecx (Monaghan) - Posts: 147 - 17/06/2013 20:40:07    1409373

To GaryMc82,you have heard the Cavan side,here's the Monaghan one!

Sergeant_Slash
County: Cavan
Posts: 1933

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GaryMc82
County: Derry
Posts: 522


I think it'd be a great match up.

I heard the Cavan v Monaghan league game was a bit of a sledging match, but I didnt see it. This could be a real melting pot of a game, two neighbours playing a massive derby championship game, with a massive prize of an Ulster final at stake. Referee lost control of the game almost from the word go. 3 Monaghan men got the line and 2 Cavan players got it, and others should have walked too. Yes it was very rough, but Cavan dominated the game from start to finish and ran out comfortable winners. Monaghan thought all they had to do was show up that evening.

Yes the Referee lost control,but Cavan's dirty tactic's on the night left him with no choice but to issue red cards for fun.We were caught cold that night,plus we were missing 6 that will be starting saturday week.We wont be caught cold again!

There seems to be a bit of bitter rivalry between both sets of fans too, which always adds to the mix. I didn't see Monaghan's win over Antrim, but I was impressed with Cavan's positional play against Fermanagh. Dunne looks like a Jamie Clarke style player. Well all I can say from a Cavan perspective is we're certainly not bitter towards them as they have nothing worth being bitter over. The last Ulster title between the sides belongs to us, theirs came way back in the 80's or something.

Believe me Gary,Cavan are bitter when it comes to Monaghan just read Slash's posts,Any Cavan person in there late 30's would of seen Monaghan win National League's and Ulster Titles in 1985,1988,2005,2013,while Cavan people have only seen their county win 1 title since 1951,a very lucky Ulster Title in 1997,they are reminded by their Grandaddys about how good they were back in the 40's,50's&60's,and thats all the have to throw at us when we meet.

Who looked the better side during the league match earlier in the year? We did.

Cavan did,but we were promoted as league champions in Croke park,while they finished well of the pace in mid-table Division 3!

Do any of the Cavan or Monaghan fans reckon this game will explode into a brawl? I certainly hope not, we're bringing a very promising but inexperienced team to Clones, and whatever they put out we'll hope to beat it. It will certainly not go down well with Monaghan to see a young Cavan team beating them in Clones. I think after our recent underage success the Monaghans knew this day was coming, now they can't face the thought of losing.

The will be no brawl,Cavan wont get away with the carry on they did at the league match under lights on a wet night in Febuary.
Live TV will catch all that along with a better referee.When you lack the bit of class you need to win you resort to that kind of messing and thats what Cavan will try to do.We have the better, stronger, more experienced team and will win,and if Monaghan click on the night, we will win well.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1366 - 18/06/2013 13:44:17    1409833

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County: Monaghan
Posts: 758

Cavan people have only seen their county win 1 title since 1951,a very lucky Ulster Title in 1997,they are reminded by their Grandaddys about how good they were back in the 40's,50's&60's,and thats all the have to throw at us when we meet.


This is factually incorrect. so let me put the record straight here. Cavan have won 6 ulster titles since 1951. Monaghan have won 3.
We have been in 18 ulster finals since 1951. Monaghan have been in 5. . I think the facts speak for themselves.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5524 - 18/06/2013 15:35:06    1409962