Keithlemon; we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I understand what you are saying but I hold the morals and values of the GAA to a higher critique than that.

If a player from my club were to perpetrate such a disgusting cowardly act as bite another man then I would like to think our club officials would have the moral fortitude to hold that player accountable and discipline him accordingly. The same should extend to county level. Were all supposed to be GAA men and an act as disgusting as this should be dealt with swiftly and severely.

The irony of this is the perpetrator won't own up because it will obviously tarnish the rest of his playing days, but you could argue that it's tarnished anyway.

LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 15/05/2013 14:59:07    1384502

LKMan: I agree with that in principal, but unfortunately this is another in a long line of acts that players in the GAA have done and gotten away with or gotten off on a technicality. Its the nature of the discipline world in the GAA at the moment. What did Cork do when Anthony Lynch elbowed Kieran Donaghy in 06, they got him off a blatant red by pointing out the inconsistencies of the video evidence and what was written in the referees report. Ryan McMennamin served a one game ban instead of serving something longer when he dropped the knees on John McEntee (I think it was) in 05 thanks to Tyrone employing a solicitor to help get him off. Trust me when I say Kevin O'Brien (if he actually is the perpetrator, some on here have alluded to it being someone else) is not the first and probably won't be the last to have bitten someone on a gaelic football field.
I do however find it a bit much that people take this particular incident as the most outrageous act or that has shook their moral outlook on sport, Alan Quinlan and Peter Clohessy have been guilty in the past of some dirty acts on a rugby field yet you'd be hard pushed to find a Munster fan who wouldn't still refer to these guys as legends.

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 15/05/2013 16:23:01    1384591

LetterkennyMan
County: Donegal
Posts: 335

1384502 Keithlemon; we'll just have to agree to disagree on that. I understand what you are saying but I hold the morals and values of the GAA to a higher critique than that.

If a player from my club were to perpetrate such a disgusting cowardly act as bite another man then I would like to think our club officials would have the moral fortitude to hold that player accountable and discipline him accordingly. The same should extend to county level. Were all supposed to be GAA men and an act as disgusting as this should be dealt with swiftly and severely.

The irony of this is the perpetrator won't own up because it will obviously tarnish the rest of his playing days, but you could argue that it's tarnished anyway.


and what if you didnt see your player do it, no one from your club did and the player denied it, every other club slams the player and the guy who accuses him wont go to the hearing.
would you be 100% in your condemnation of your player or be a bit confused and while knowing something happened, be a bit annoyed that after all of the accusations, the player who said he was bit wont follow through on his accusation and make sure if the player is guilty he is dealt with and every one can put it to bed,because now all it does is leave a sour taste in every ones mouth and things are said in heat of the moment that didnt have to be.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 15/05/2013 16:31:00    1384600

If a player from my club were to perpetrate such a disgusting cowardly act as bite another man then I would like to think our club officials would have the moral fortitude to hold that player accountable and discipline him accordingly. The same should extend to county level. Were all supposed to be GAA men and an act as disgusting as this should be dealt with swiftly and severely.

Unless of course the player in question said it didn't happen. What then?! Do you turn your back on your club member? What if the roles were reversed?

Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 15/05/2013 16:38:35    1384603

Look AthCliath and Jackeen, I'm asking you honestly do you believe McBrearty was bit or not by a Dublin player, straight answer please?

You either believe he was which would tally with the original disciplinary findings, with what Mr Duffy said the other day and with what the Donegal camp have said from the start.

If it is the former (which the majority of GAA followers I have spoken with from many different counties believe) the point I am making is that it is a disgrace that the DCB have circled the wagons rather than demanding the perpetrator own up and be dealt with accordingly, because this is not the act of someone who deserves to wear a county jersey. The silence is deafening and speaks volumes.

Which is it because it's one or the other? And no the hounds of Baskerville didn't bite him!!

All acts of thuggery on a GAA pitch are disgusting and to be condemned, however there is something particularly savage about biting another man (and no keithlemon trust me when I say biting is unheard of on the majority of GAA pitches throughout Ireland, maybe not where you're from, but the vast majority of parishes and counties throughout the island).

LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 15/05/2013 17:05:53    1384629

Certain parts of my last post were censored which I feel make the post above confusing to say the least! Suffice to say there was a latter to the former, which suggested that if you don't believe the accusations then you believe somebody at the Donegal end must be telling porkies and if so why hasn't someone from the DCB called them out on this?

LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 15/05/2013 17:33:37    1384658

FFS...............

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 15/05/2013 17:34:32    1384660

LetterkennyMan
County: Donegal
Posts: 338

1384629
Look AthCliath and Jackeen, I'm asking you honestly do you believe McBrearty was bit or not by a Dublin player, straight answer please?

You either believe he was which would tally with the original disciplinary findings, with what Mr Duffy said the other day and with what the Donegal camp have said from the start.

If it is the former (which the majority of GAA followers I have spoken with from many different counties believe) the point I am making is that it is a disgrace that the DCB have circled the wagons rather than demanding the perpetrator own up and be dealt with accordingly, because this is not the act of someone who deserves to wear a county jersey. The silence is deafening and speaks volumes.

Which is it because it's one or the other? And no the hounds of Baskerville didn't bite him!!

All acts of thuggery on a GAA pitch are disgusting and to be condemned, however there is something particularly savage about biting another man (and no keithlemon trust me when I say biting is unheard of on the majority of GAA pitches throughout Ireland, maybe not where you're from, but the vast majority of parishes and counties throughout the island).

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It's like flogging a dead horse at this stage. How do we know that the DCB has not identified the culprit, assuming there is one, and disciplined him internally? All of the processes have been strictly adhered to and the DCB has acted in accordance with the rules. Are you now suggesting that the DCB should commence an internal witch hunt to publicly out one of their own and then to undermine the whole disciplinary process not to mention the CCCC. Is there any precedent for this in the history of the game? Should we not just disband the CCCC and let county's act as jury and executioner in all of these cases? Just ludicrous I think.

Look, a guy was apparently kicked in the head, two brought to hospital, at a game on Sunday in Donegal. That act is more disgusting in my book than the bite, bruise, graze or whatever it was that McBrearty got. There was a good honest post on the Donegal forum about it below and really if the DCB's behaviour has been 'disgusting' it looks as though the Donegal CBs record on disciplinary action has also been 'disgusting'. However I would like to add that disciplinary action, lack of, is a problem in all counties not just Donegal or Dublin for that matter.

Tir Conaill Abu
County: Donegal
Posts: 603

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Wasn't at the game so not going to comment directly on this incident but will certainly be keeping a close eye on what actions will be taken by the county board on the perpetrators. There seems to be a tendency in Donegal for these type of incidents to be swept under the carpet, time on suspensions gets delayed until the media and hype surrounding these incidents dies down and then we hear nothing about any suspensions or otherwise. This especially seems to be the case when higher profile clubs are involved.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 15/05/2013 18:00:17    1384689

Joxer straight question; do you believe McBrearty was bitten or not? Yes or No?

The disgusting incident at a club match in Letterkenny happened Sunday, so we'll reserve judegemnt on that one until we see how the Donegal CB deal with it over the next week or so.

And to the lad that posted FFS above; you're not the moderator of this thread, if you're tired of reading comments on this topic then don't read them.

LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 15/05/2013 18:25:12    1384711

Lads cut it out seriously this is gone to a point of a laugh.

Right from day one this was a farce, fistly medical personalle couldnt agree on whether it was a bite, graze, or bruise. Secondly no picture/video evidence was made available. Next a 3 match ban..serious for a "bite" you really think 3 matches is what he would have gotten?..just shows that even the GAA were playing guessing games... Finally to top of this amazing journey Mcbreathy, or at this stage it could have been anyone with the way this has gone writes a statement, but then doesnt even turn up to confirm it..

Between the Dubs and Donegal lads stop making a laugh of yourself and move on..

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 15/05/2013 18:33:06    1384718

LetterkennyMan
County: Donegal
Posts: 340

1384711
Joxer straight question; do you believe McBrearty was bitten or not? Yes or No?

The disgusting incident at a club match in Letterkenny happened Sunday, so we'll reserve judegemnt on that one until we see how the Donegal CB deal with it over the next week or so.

And to the lad that posted FFS above; you're not the moderator of this thread, if you're tired of reading comments on this topic then don't read them.


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Being honest with you LKMan I don't know and for all of the reasons that Crossfieldball mentions and many more if you look back at the start of this thread. I am sure that Paddy had some injury but i don't now how severe, how it was inflicted and by whom. How can anyone on the outside categorically state that there was a bite with such an astounding lack of evidence and witnesses and with conflicting medical diagnoses from professional medics. We also don't know if the right Dublin player has had his name dragged through the mud which is also worrying. Anyway time to move on. Paddy is still in one piece and if there is a culprit on the Dublin side then I'm sure a lesson has been learned.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 15/05/2013 18:51:04    1384733

jimbodub
FFS...............

Jimbo, if you dont want to post on the thread, leave it. There is no requirement for you to be involved if you dont want to be.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/05/2013 10:30:12    1384947

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 10216

1384660
FFS...............
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Aye...........same as that.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 16/05/2013 10:51:37    1384965

LetterkennyMan
County: Donegal
Posts: 340

1384629 Look AthCliath and Jackeen, I'm asking you honestly do you believe McBrearty was bit or not by a Dublin player, straight answer please?

I dont have the luxury of sitting on the jury and seeing the evidence put in front of me, photos of persons bite , sharp pinch or bruise,video evidence of incident, getting to hear the person who made accusation speak of what happened,or even read his statement of the events, and then asked what is my verdict.
Get me a couple of those things and ill give you my answer.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 16/05/2013 12:46:32    1385059

AthCliath; The CCC had most of those items in front of them and saw fit to impose a ban on O'Brien, so would you not agree that a natural and logical inference from that is that he did indeed perpetrate the "bite" on McBrearty?

Take your head out of the clouds.

LetterkennyMan (Donegal) - Posts: 393 - 16/05/2013 13:21:26    1385085

LetterkennyMan
County: Donegal
Posts: 341

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AthCliath; The CCC had most of those items in front of them and saw fit to impose a ban on O'Brien, so would you not agree that a natural and logical inference from that is that he did indeed perpetrate the "bite" on McBrearty?

Take your head out of the clouds.

Wow.

You seem to be missing a vital piece of the jigsaw that happened next.

But I suppose that doesn't fit your narrative of the "facts" of the matter.

Give it up lad, you know as much as I do about what actually happened.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 16/05/2013 13:50:11    1385113

Give it up lad, you know as much as I do about what actually happened.

Yes that is true - a dublin player bit a donegal player and got away with it. However, the reasons behind your point blank refusal to acknowledge what we all know is somthing I dont understand.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/05/2013 14:25:11    1385140

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 6966

Yes that is true - a dublin player bit a donegal player and got away with it. However, the reasons behind your point blank refusal to acknowledge what we all know is somthing I dont understand.



I wasn't there and neither were you.

I didn't see it and neither did you.

I don't know what happened and neither do you.

If it was as clear cut as you claim there wouldn't be any issue, however it isn't clear cut what happened, however much you claim that it is.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13846 - 16/05/2013 14:30:25    1385144

MooMaster still cant let it go very sad indeed.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2901 - 16/05/2013 14:37:34    1385150

Can you prove this Moomaster?

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8170 - 16/05/2013 14:38:49    1385151