gotmilk
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Muckross have you ever heard of another case where the evidence has been made clear or came to public knowledge?

Not from the CCCC no. All they do is make a recommendation, the process is not over yet.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 20/04/2013 09:10:10    1370617

Joxer
County: Dublin
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This player is young and only in the door of the senior squad. Dublin have absolutely no shortage of backs so anybody just in with a blot on their copybook, and in these circumstances, is likely to really struggle for a jersey in the future. In other words the stakes are huge here. We're not talking about a guaranteed experienced first teamer here like Paul Galvin for example. We're talking about a young fella trying to break into what is probably the strongest squad in the country. So don't think I'm getting carried away in clarifying the stakes here. A lot riding on circumstantial evidence so.

Let's not lose the run of ourselves here Joxer, Dublin are not Barcelona. Much of what is good about them comes from their attack not their defence which is, goalkeeper apart, ordinary. The fact that Dublin's attack is so good masks the fact that they ship a lot of scores so if he is good enough he will, as a young lad, get plenty more chances.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 20/04/2013 09:14:24    1370618

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Joxer
County: Dublin
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This player is young and only in the door of the senior squad. Dublin have absolutely no shortage of backs so anybody just in with a blot on their copybook, and in these circumstances, is likely to really struggle for a jersey in the future. In other words the stakes are huge here. We're not talking about a guaranteed experienced first teamer here like Paul Galvin for example. We're talking about a young fella trying to break into what is probably the strongest squad in the country. So don't think I'm getting carried away in clarifying the stakes here. A lot riding on circumstantial evidence so.

Let's not lose the run of ourselves here Joxer, Dublin are not Barcelona. Much of what is good about them comes from their attack not their defence which is, goalkeeper apart, ordinary. The fact that Dublin's attack is so good masks the fact that they ship a lot of scores so if he is good enough he will, as a young lad, get plenty more chances.


Not Barcelona no but we have at least 2 players for every of the 6 back berths. Our score concessions has nothing to do with backs abilities more Gavin's attacking style of play where backs can be found as often in the opponents half as in their own. Still the point has been made, if this player is banned he will struggle to come back at this level. In that position he is vying with Philly McMahon, Michael Fitz and Jonny Cooper. All class full backs.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 20/04/2013 11:56:18    1370653

Joker,

If he is banned it will be for good reason and he has nobody but himself to blame!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 20/04/2013 14:35:10    1370680

No need to get personal Liffey Gael. Read my posts before commenting please.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 20/04/2013 14:58:34    1370685

Personal? Who's getting personal?

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 20/04/2013 15:19:38    1370693

Lads what I find strange is the CCC have proposed a ban based on the evidence yet they have not officially named the player? Would the same treatment be afforded another player? Honestly now lads why would this lad make this up ? As far as the Dublin lads here are concerned if there is no evidence those that mean they are happy to look the other way?

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 20/04/2013 15:58:40    1370706

Again....he will be the first player to get a ban on the word of a player and because of a bruise.

Murky waters.

Ps.....For the Donegal poster who asked where I got the evidence of McBrearty not knowing where he was bit, on the pitch or in the tunnel.

Check out the original media comments of the Donegal management team. They claimed it happened on the pitch, then later said it happened in the tunnel. So, I got my evidence off RTE....go check it out!!!! Just if it happened on the pitch, someone would have seen it and there would have been a brawl I'd imagine. And if it happened in the tunnel someone would have seen it...and there would have been a brawl!!! The Dublin player and McBrearty walked into the tunnel together with nobody around, except the two players...and McBrearty got bit???? Come on....it does sound slightly far fetched doesn't it??? Like nobody seen this incident....NOBODY. In that case you could have a bruise on your face and just say....."He done it ref....that Murphy fella there". Who seen it??? Nobody....that Murphy fella must have done that to you, because you said he did. Lets ban him!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 20/04/2013 15:59:15    1370707

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Again....he will be the first player to get a ban on the word of a player and because of a bruise.

Murky waters.

Ps.....For the Donegal poster who asked where I got the evidence of McBrearty not knowing where he was bit, on the pitch or in the tunnel.

Check out the original media comments of the Donegal management team.
Slightly confused here JayP. In your earlier post you claimed that it was McBrearty who made conflicting claims, now you say it's the Donegal management!! Either way show the evidence.

So, I got my evidence off RTE....go check it out!!!!
Where is it? Put up a link.
Just if it happened on the pitch, someone would have seen it and there would have been a brawl I'd imagine. And if it happened in the tunnel someone would have seen it...and there would have been a brawl!!! The Dublin player and McBrearty walked into the tunnel together with nobody around, except the two players...and McBrearty got bit???? Come on....it does sound slightly far fetched doesn't it??? Like nobody seen this incident....NOBODY.
This has been dealt with already. Both players went for a ball & landed in a heap. The play moved away & the Dublin player who was on top then committed the assault.
One question I would like you to answer. How come we have not heard a categorical denial from either the player or the Dublin authorities? Especially since the CCCC findings & the player being named in the papers I would have thought that proclamations of innocence would have been issued. We have heard nothing, no denials, no claims of innocence, no accusations of Donegal making it up, nothing. If I had been accused in the wrong I would be screaming blue murder.

Sometimes silence speaks louder than words!!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 20/04/2013 17:15:54    1370733

There was obviously a bite. Never mind how long he gets banned for, its the Dublin County board who have made a b**ls of the whole situation. They could have and should have handled it better. If they dealt with it properly we wouldn't be talking about this anymore. Get it sorted and move on.

DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 20/04/2013 17:30:57    1370739

Actually lads, the Dublin County Board and management team have done exactly what was required in this situation. The proper procedure is to report the incident, and say no more and let the CCCC investigate. And if there is EVIDENCE then the guilty party will be dealt with accordingly. Dublin saying nothing is just doing what they are supposed to do. Disappointing the Donegal Management team decided to go public, it actually could have harmed the Donegal case and got the Dublin player off on technicality....

Muckrosshead.... Im hardly gonna go look for links from three weeks ago to prove to you that the Donegal management etc mad a complete balls of their story. You go research them. Plus, isn't it gas you are looking for EVIDENCE, because its the lack of evidence in the biting incident that makes it hard to punish the player accused.

Look the fact Donegal went public, and didn't even have their story straight coupled with the fact ZERO evidence beside a bruise and one players word against anothers.........makes a farce of this incident.

Im not saying biting is ok, Im saying punishing a fella based on accusations without proper evidence shouldn't really happen. This opens a can of worms because if you have a swelling on your face because of an impact injury in a game, you can just claim an opponent punched you in the face. And wheres the evidence? The swelling on your face? Your word against that of another player.

McBrearty got bit on the pitch, in the tunnel, when a player landed on top of him??? And nobody seen the bite...and he didn't run to the ref straight away to show him??? He didn't tell any teammates? Come on lads, if someone bit you ..... would you wait until halftime to react....And Im not saying punch the Dublin player.....If someone bit me Id be very angry. He got bit and was placid???

It just doesn't add up.....

If there is proper evidence...throw the book at the Dublin player....if theres not.......do nothing!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 20/04/2013 19:03:37    1370773

To those that claim that nobody saw what happened..... I was at the game, I saw the two players on the ground around the 21m line to the town goals and slightly to the stand side with the Dublin player on top of McBrearty.... I obviously couldn't see McBrearty being bitten but I'd have needed to be right up beside them to see the actual bite taking place and it would be the last thing I'd expect to see anyway. The play had moved on to the other end of the pitch...from recollection, one of the umpires called the referees attention during a break in play obviously to alert him to the tussle which had taken place on the ground. I'm assuming this is where the alleged bite happened. I can't recall if either player was booked. The fact that the play had moved to the other end of the pitch meant that spectators would have been following the ball.

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 20/04/2013 19:23:13    1370779

westkerry
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Lads what I find strange is the CCC have proposed a ban based on the evidence yet they have not officially named the player? Would the same treatment be afforded another player? Honestly now lads why would this lad make this up ? As far as the Dublin lads here are concerned if there is no evidence those that mean they are happy to look the other way?


Don't know of a single Dublin poster on here who has said that if this Dublin player is guilty he should not have the book thrown at him. The question is now can the CCCC hand down a ban like this based on what appears to be pretty flimsy evidence?

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4749 - 20/04/2013 19:30:06    1370784

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McBrearty got bit on the pitch, in the tunnel, when a player landed on top of him??? And nobody seen the bite...and he didn't run to the ref straight away to show him??? He didn't tell any teammates? Come on lads, if someone bit you ..... would you wait until halftime to react....And Im not saying punch the Dublin player.....If someone bit me Id be very angry. He got bit and was placid???

It just doesn't add up.....

If there is proper evidence...throw the book at the Dublin player....if theres not.......do nothing!

Your comment reads as if your presuming Patrick McBrearty made this up, or that it was over exagerated or that his story was mixed up.
None of us know the full details outside of the CCCC, we don't know where it happened, We don't know if anybody seen the biting, We don't know if he went to the ref during the match to show him.

We know evidence has been issued to the CCCC, we know the opinion of the team doctors differed on the nature of the Injury. We may get hearsay along the lines of "I have a mate who is in the know" or "I'm friends with a member of the senior squad or backroom team". But we can't use any of this as evidence or question the victim on the basis of this, nor can we find the accused guilty on the basis of this.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 20/04/2013 20:53:15    1370815

MuckrossHead
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Let's not lose the run of ourselves here Joxer, Dublin are not Barcelona. Much of what is good about them comes from their attack not their defence which is, goalkeeper apart, ordinary. The fact that Dublin's attack is so good masks the fact that they ship a lot of scores so if he is good enough he will, as a young lad, get plenty more chances.

Ah now come on Muckross. Ordinary in comparison to who? Their defence looked very good to me, and they were 2nd only to Donegal when it came to conceding scores this season in the National league Division 1.

Bit of credit now, they hardly shipped that much.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3057 - 20/04/2013 20:59:57    1370820

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MuckrossHead
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Let's not lose the run of ourselves here Joxer, Dublin are not Barcelona. Much of what is good about them comes from their attack not their defence which is, goalkeeper apart, ordinary. The fact that Dublin's attack is so good masks the fact that they ship a lot of scores so if he is good enough he will, as a young lad, get plenty more chances.

Ah now come on Muckross. Ordinary in comparison to who? Their defence looked very good to me, and they were 2nd only to Donegal when it came to conceding scores this season in the National league Division 1.

Bit of credit now, they hardly shipped that much.
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Fair enough Gary, I maybe over egged the pudding a bit when I called them "ordinary". But my basic point stands. To say that a three match suspension risks ending a young lads county career is also overdoing it.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 21/04/2013 08:29:18    1370854

If there is proper evidence...throw the book at the Dublin player....if theres not.......do nothing!

To say you want to throw the book at him is extreme. Three matches is fine in my book, I dare say it will be long & manys the day before he does it again.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 21/04/2013 08:32:28    1370855

JayP
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Actually lads, the Dublin County Board and management team have done exactly what was required in this situation. The proper procedure is to report the incident, and say no more and let the CCCC investigate. And if there is EVIDENCE then the guilty party will be dealt with accordingly.
Which is more or less what has happened, the odd stray comment from both sides notwithstanding.



Muckrosshead.... Im hardly gonna go look for links from three weeks ago to prove to you that the Donegal management etc mad a complete balls of their story. You go research them.
Let me get this straight. You make an assertion which you can't back up, I ask you to provide the evidence & you tell me to go & get it!!! Haha.

Look the fact Donegal went public, and didn't even have their story straight
Again, produce the evidence for this

Im not saying biting is ok, Im saying punishing a fella based on accusations without proper evidence shouldn't really happen.
Who says there isn't proper evidence? None of us know what evidence the CCCC has. In fact for all we know the Dublin player may have owned up, because he hasn't denied the accusation, something I would have expected by now. He may well be appealing to get the ban reduced. None of us know because we are not party to the investigation.

McBrearty got bit on the pitch when a player landed on top of him??? And nobody seen the bite...and he didn't run to the ref straight away to show him???
Nobody saw the bite because the play had moved up the field, he didn't go blabbing to the ref because he isn't a wuss & only reported it at half time because of the health implications, tetanus & all that.

Look we are not going to agree on this, so let's wait & see the process through at which time we may know more.

It just doesn't add up.....

If there is proper evidence...throw the book at the Dublin player....if theres not.......do nothing!

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 21/04/2013 08:49:29    1370858

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If there is proper evidence...throw the book at the Dublin player....if theres not.......do nothing!


While the first part of this statement is fine the second is preposterous. Without claiming he did so, if the story is fabricated this fiasco will not end here. Secondly, if there is no evidence that the player committed any wrong doing his name should not have been released to the press and whoever is responsible for that should have a case to answer for!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 21/04/2013 11:53:38    1370905

WHY has this player not been named by Dublin, the CCCC or much of the media, why the big silence? Is there a legal precedent here for some reason? This seeme to be the first time a player charged with an offence has not been named. This is not doing the GAA or even Dublin any favours whatsoever and smacks of censorship. If there are legitimate legal reasons for not naming the player I could accept that but once again the silence and lack of information creates it's own conspiracies and rumours. Furthermore tha antics of some Dublin GAA people and fans has been shocking. They seem more angry that one of their players has even been accused let alone charged as if the laws and rules don't apply to them; it smacks of downright arrogance and disregard for other teams, fans and the game itself. Shame on them!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 21/04/2013 13:32:04    1370969