jimbodub
No completely taken completely out of context.

In what context does blatently questioning the guy's honesty make it ok?


How can he comment on an incident he knows nothing about. His statement is clear to see.. at that time he knew very little and learned of the incident over the radio. No official contact. No official contact = no incident to investigate

Well no. There clearly was an incident, I knew it, you knew it, and kettle knew it. The fact that he had not been notified about it at this point doesnt change that fact. The question you are answering is was there an investigation, not was there an incident.


He based his views on what he knew and again that is all very clear in the statement.
It's wrong of you to post once sentence and take it out of the context that it was meant to serve.

No, he based his views on the basis that there was no investigation, and then made the leap that there was therefore no incident. A ridiculous leap in fairness. As for the sentence, again, tell me in what context questioning a guys honesty is ok.


It's there in black and white for all to see... it's up to the individual to read it before making such sweeping comments.

Quite apt. For kettle's input that is...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/04/2013 16:59:52    1369938

I'm not sure did he mean it this way but one Donegal poster (MuckrossHead I think) said that the Dublin player took a couple of 'nips' at him before the alleged bite. Do you mean that there was more than one attempted bite? That makes it sound a whole lot worse to me.

mayoboy1 (Mayo) - Posts: 1654 - 18/04/2013 17:01:49    1369941

The HSE don't give out tetanus shots and stitches for nothing, and a Kilcar man wouldn't be the first to accept it. The fact of the matter is that Letterkenny General Hopsital HAVE records of McBrearty being treated and THEY are able to confirm whether or not he was bitten. You don't need video or photo evidence for this. They will be part of the evidence of the CCCC's investigation.

donegalboy (Donegal) - Posts: 120 - 18/04/2013 17:10:44    1369948

All you guys who are saying that there is no evidence or proof & that it is one person's word against another's.
How do you know that is the case? You have no idea what the Cccc had in front of them when they made their decision.
Just because we don't have all the facts doesn't mean they didn't.

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Fair point !! Would still love to know what evidence they have

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 18/04/2013 17:14:23    1369949

"I don't accept that something did happen. Until I am asked officially to investigate by the Donegal county board, I won't be doing anything.

That's the point he was making when he said

"First of all, was there an incident?"

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 17:20:45    1369956

It was a pity that he had to learn of it through a radio interview...

Perhaps his statement would have been very different themaster if the Donegal CB had followed official protocl?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 17:24:39    1369960

The bottom line is that the media have deliberately underplayed this because it is Dublin, Croke Park have allowed the silence and whispers to go on too long while the CCCC have kopped out with a 3 game ban for biting, also in my opinion, because it is Dublin. If any player now gets longer than 3 games for spitting, striking etc now the GAA will have led itself open to accusations of bias in favour of Dublin; biting is as low as any player can get. The antics of some Dubs on here has been shameful and completely hypocritical.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 18/04/2013 17:25:04    1369961

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1369961 The bottom line is that the media have deliberately underplayed this because it is Dublin
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It's all over the papers because it's a Dublin player

It's got so much focus because it's a Dublin player

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 18/04/2013 17:30:20    1369964

have the media made a mistake in reporting the punishment by the CCCC? Did the replace the word years with matchs in their reports by any chance. 3 matches for biting a player is beyond reason. It's bloody laughable. At least a one years ban should be given. Life ban would be more appropriate.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 18/04/2013 17:35:03    1369968

Jimbo, MOST of the coverage has been extremeley favourable and positive towards Dublin in respect of this. If anything it has been McBrearty and Donegal who have been put on the defensive and forced to prove it. In the week after this incident the media was full of Dublin's point of view and your county was allowed reams of newsprint to deny the incident and put doubt in peoples mind. Donegal's version was doubted and more or less rubbished; this incident has been spun massively in Dublin's favour and you got a result. 3 games for biting?? Should have been at least 6 months and I reckon most county players outside Dublin would have got far more.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 18/04/2013 17:39:18    1369973

have the media made a mistake in reporting the punishment by the CCCC? Did the replace the word years with matchs in their reports by any chance. 3 matches for biting a player is beyond reason. It's bloody laughable. At least a one years ban should be given. Life ban would be more appropriate.

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Would you goway out of that

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13659 - 18/04/2013 17:42:34    1369975

Comeuppance time Snuff. Big bowl for you. Open wide.
Yum Yum!!!
Superglue
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When due process is over and if it all turns out to be true then there are no better men than the Dubs to take a cold bowl of cumuppance in good order!......and furthermore, we will seek the cumuppance to be as foul tasting as possible so as to make sure the counties good name is restored and it doesnt happen again!

No Dub runs from cumuppance if proven guilty!......yer talking about the only county to ever take on an empire all on its own afterall!......MEN!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 18/04/2013 17:46:42    1369978

Exactly jimbo, so basically, im not convinced this lad is telling the truth... Now brea in mind it later transpired that kettle had spoken to the dublin medic about the incident (the one that he wasnt sure had occured or not)

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/04/2013 17:52:48    1369980

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Jimbo, MOST of the coverage has been extremeley favourable and positive towards Dublin in respect of this. If anything it has been McBrearty and Donegal who have been put on the defensive and forced to prove it.

In an self respecting society and one that holds the human rights virtue of innocent until proven guilty this is what one should demand rather than expect. Generally accusations without proof are libelous, immoral and unlawful. I find it amazing you should think it strange that the Donegal parties should not have to prove wrong doing.

I'll reiterate my stand on this. If the Dublin player is proved guilty of biting, or make an admission of wrongdoing, then he should be punished to the full extent of the GAA's disciplinary code. If he has no case to answer for, or the accusations are found wanting in evidence, then Donegal should be seriously fined and brought to a state court where the character of a young amateur player can re-conciliated. And i'm deadly serious in my last point and i'll trust that it will be posted!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 18/04/2013 17:59:15    1369985

I agree totally Seanie it is up to those making accusations to supply the evidence and anyone accused of an offence must be deemed innocent until proven guilty. However there was extremely slanted media coverage and negative comments made against Donegal and one or more accusations that they were making all of this up. There were many Dubs and media people who didn't want to believe this and acted as if never happened and they badmouthed Donegal for even making the accusations; they were some dark arts going on from the media and SOME Dublin GAA people. That is the point I have been making all along; that if you put enough doubt into the public arena it will create an atmosphere in favour of the accused and muddy the waters. It was Edward Heath after all who said to Lord Widgery before his now discredited report on Bloody Sunday. "Don't forget that we (the British military) are also fighting a propaganda war". There was definately an element of that within the media and Dublin GAA circles; get all our positive stuff out first and it has worked as I say. 3 games for biting????

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9840 - 18/04/2013 18:15:25    1369992

Yes, our medic did visit the dressing room. My understanding is that he saw a bruise, not a laceration, a bruise. so where did the "stitch" , then "stitches" come from? in the above statement?

Is there anyone here on Hoganstand at that match that can say they saw something? anyone?

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4968 - 18/04/2013 18:16:51    1369993

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No Dub runs from cumuppance if proven guilty!......yer talking about the only county to ever take on an empire all on its own afterall!......MEN!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Ah, you must be from the Republic of Wexford then.

At Boolavogue as the sun ------- Lol

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 18/04/2013 18:17:01    1369994

seany16

I'll reiterate my stand on this. If the Dublin player is proved guilty of biting, or make an admission of wrongdoing, then he should be punished to the full extent of the GAA's disciplinary code. If he has no case to answer for, or the accusations are found wanting in evidence, then Donegal should be seriously fined and brought to a state court where the character of a young amateur player can re-conciliated. And i'm deadly serious in my last point and i'll trust that it will be posted!

Are you for real????

wile_man_sir (Donegal) - Posts: 150 - 18/04/2013 18:19:23    1369995

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Muckross it could be turned straight on it's head. Whats to say that they did have proof? What makes me think they are going with one mans word over anothers is because they aren't making any of the evidence public. There is no transparrency here.

It is not part of the CCCC's remit to make all the evidence they hear on any particular case public. It is their job to weigh up the evidence & come to a conclusion. Included in that evidence was the referee's report, photos taken of the injury & evidence from the hospital. Whatever else they decided on it was not just one man's word against another.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 18/04/2013 18:31:28    1370004

jimbodubs hypocrisy regarding this matter is baffling to say the least!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 18/04/2013 18:44:02    1370009