Cork are favourites to win a munster title, and with a good draw could be in an A I final,this despite and having lost good players to other sports (Walsh, Cadogan, o Hailpin the younger, Sweetnam).
There are still players coming through, and theyre good hurlers, even if they do come from clubs that Sean og never heard of.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 10/07/2013 16:28:32    1428386

i wonder what club AwbegRover is from? get a grip need to move on, next you will be calling for Brian Corcoran or Ben O'Connor to come back

CorkBlogger (Cork) - Posts: 50 - 10/07/2013 16:29:43    1428389

AwbegRover
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Now that we appear to have an injury crisis, surely peace should break out and John Gardnier called onto the panel.

I think bring back John Gardiner would add to the problems rather than solve them. A wound will take longer to heal if you keep peeling the scab.

John burned his own boats, as did Sean Og in a different manner. I wasn't too happy when JBM was appointed originally, but I'm glad to see he has a little steel. Whether or not we win on Sunday, I believe JBM has set Cork on the right road again.

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 10/07/2013 17:04:41    1428431

I have to say im reading these posts here I think awbeg rover makes a valid point,ok gardner is older now and by all means leave him out IF we have players who are better than him but have we really?, i remember ger loughnane once calling him the beckenbauer of hurling which says while pace is a asset it is not imperative as long as you can read the game and gardiner can certainly do that,as for reports of him not been welcoming to new/younger players coming in who knows im sure these things go on all the time,form is temporary but class is permenant brian murphy out,its the logical call don't cut your nose of jbm to spite your face

monkstownrebel1 (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 10/07/2013 17:05:18    1428433

Corkblogger just to put you straight, I am not attached to any Cork club as I have been exiled for many years. I agree entirely with monkstownrebel1, it is not that we have quality defenders coming out our ears. We will rue this before very long.

AwbegRover (Cork) - Posts: 136 - 10/07/2013 18:46:21    1428501

Awbeg

we will not rue John Gardiners absence. We would only rue his absence if he was the difference between us winning and losing an All Ireland. We won't win it either way. Given that we will not win either way, it possibly makes.more sense to go with younger lads. Bringing him back would be a far bigger gamble in my opinion. Besides JBM has made his decision now. Can we not just all row in behind him. As for his buddy Sean Og, the clubs th at he never heard off are the clubs that supported him and his buddies during the strike. Such short memories.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 10/07/2013 19:58:54    1428525

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With Brian Murphy being added to the list of walking wounded, bringing in the younger Cadogan was not a solution. John Gardiner should have been brought in straight away. These old vendettas are crippling Cork hurling and until such time as "that elephant in the room" retires, we are going nowhere.

Would you ever give it a rest? Hes over the hill and not coming back get over it

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 10/07/2013 21:42:42    1428601

Why would you even create this topic. Just looking to stir things up

corkrebel (Cork) - Posts: 105 - 11/07/2013 10:19:52    1428676

I hope with all my heart that I am not saying "I told you so" on Sunday night. The Cork hurlers mean the world to me and when successful they brighten long dreary winters. I have nothing but admiration for JBM and his selectors but this vendetta perpetrated on John Gardiner by other people inside the County Board has to stop.

AwbegRover (Cork) - Posts: 136 - 11/07/2013 12:58:04    1428890

No matter what happens on Sunday, John gardiner is not good enough to be playing with Cork at this moment in time. I don't want people to be saying " I told you so".

corkrebel (Cork) - Posts: 105 - 11/07/2013 13:54:10    1428959

I can't comment on John Gardiner's performance now but in years gone by I often felt he struggled in games v Limerick. But John Allen's move in the 2005 Semi final to take off Ronan Curran & move Gardiner to centre back was inspirational - he was immense as Cork came from 7 points down to win by 1.

He was a class act, maybe he still is, a wonderful hurler.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6628 - 11/07/2013 14:32:21    1429007

corkcelt..interesting point about moving him to full back if he got slower.. My thinking on that would be you actually need to be faster these days to play full back than wing back...
IMO a lot of the top wing backs these days are far from lightening fast but read the game very well. Padraic Maher, Tommy Walsh, CDavid Collins, O'Mahony (when he plays there).

From my own experience in club hurling that would be my thinking anyway. A slow full back can be dreadfully exposed for pace.

BTW i'm not saying Gardiner is slow its just a general point...

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 11/07/2013 14:58:00    1429031

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Awbeg

we will not rue John Gardiners absence. We would only rue his absence if he was the difference between us winning and losing an All Ireland. We won't win it either way. Given that we will not win either way, it possibly makes.more sense to go with younger lads. Bringing him back would be a far bigger gamble in my opinion. Besides JBM has made his decision now. Can we not just all row in behind him. As for his buddy Sean Og, the clubs th at he never heard off are the clubs that supported him and his buddies during the strike. Such short memories.

Funny alright then again not the first time he's suffered from a short memory

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 11/07/2013 15:45:33    1429109

Good post Bennybunny.

I thought Sean Og's comment about the small clubs he's never heard of was a disgrace. I might not have heard of every club in Limerick but I respect all of them & all our clubs are struggling against emigration & unemployment.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6628 - 11/07/2013 16:27:42    1429152

Bennybunny with respect you say we would only rue gardiners absence if it was the winning and the losing of a all Ireland,i for one would love to win a munster first something we haven't done since 2006,if we do win this game on sunday we are two steps from the holy grail a lot nearer than 3 or 4 other teams will be on sunday night,we know its curtains under jbm for gardiner but the point awbeg rover is making which I agree that in cork today gardiner is still one of our best defenders and at very worst good enough to be on the bench,this is a guy with pedigree and class good teams don't get rid of good players I hope we do it on sunday but I will keep my money firmly in my pocket on a betting front

monkstownrebel1 (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 11/07/2013 16:52:55    1429171

Monkstown

You make some fair points. I hear rumours that he was not very co-operative while on the panel. Of course, these are only rumours. If there is truth of course it should not matter how good you are, you are off the panel. If it is a case of somebody trying to teach him a lesson for his deeds in the past, then it is certainly unfortunate (putting it mildly). Then agin Cork hurling history 2007-2011 is one unfortunate sorry mess as well (one again putting it mildly). The thing is we are taking steps to get over that now and JBM has taken a decision to chose the panel. There might always be disagreement and debate (which is healthy) but when former 'greats' like Sean Og are undermining the squad say things like Gardiner should be in ahead of fellas from clubs he has not even heard of, it simply creates more unwanted division.

I, personally, would like to have seen Donal Og on the panel this year. He trained savagely hard to get fit again and he isa great motivator. However, JBM decided he was sticking with Nash and Darren McCarthy. That was his decision. Donal Og accepted this (though it would have been very hard for him) and walked away. We would all be better off just rowing in behind JBM instead of thinking what might have been.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 12/07/2013 09:45:00    1429552

Can any of the lads on here pushing this line that John Gardiner should be back in the team recall the last time that he made an impact for Cork in a championship game? Vs Tipp in '10 was the last time as far as I recall and he played plenty games subsequent to that without really distinguishing himself.

Of the players who came into the team in '03/'04, I'd argue that only Niall McCarthy & Tom Kenny have played anywhere near their old form on a consistent basis in the last 4/5 seasons.

hurling_lad (Cork) - Posts: 69 - 12/07/2013 10:03:07    1429571

Sean Óg has a bit too much to say on this, in my opinion. It was clear last year when Gardiner was mostly left on the bench that JBM doesn't favour him anymore. He's the manager, he sees a lot that we're not privy to.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4105 - 12/07/2013 10:49:00    1429600

Does anyone have a link to what Sean Og said?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/07/2013 10:52:43    1429607

Bennybunny you make some fair points if he is causing trouble then yes he has to go I think even awbeg rover would agree with that no player is bigger than the county none full stop but these are only rumours,and you are also right that barry murphy wants to do things his way build his team and he will live or die by these decisions,i think gardiner should be there but we will agree to differ, hurlinglad I think gardiner has been solid since 2010 without been spectacular my point is hurlinglad drop him by all means if we have players better than him I have no problem with that but I look at that back six and I would play gardiner ahead of any of them possibly with exception of shane o neil, nobody is complaining about cusack as nash has come in and done very well this cannot be said about the backs as the last day clare could have scored a hatful but we all want a win on sunday so lets hope we do it

monkstownrebel1 (Cork) - Posts: 353 - 12/07/2013 15:22:10    1429957