Cildara13- the bookies don't decide who the best team are, the result tells us who the best team are. It's very, very simple.

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 22/04/2013 15:20:10    1371771

Who said anything about the bookies? If you'd an notion of the qualities that make up a good team you'd clearly see Kildare were/and are a better side. Fairplay to Galway they beat us. But anybody who knows anything about football will have seen Kildare were not only dominant on the day but stronger overall also. Dublin are head and shoulders above everyone at this age group. Coming from a kildare man too.

Blackburn Rovers knocked Arsenal out of the FA Cup at the Emirates. Blackburn are a better team than Arsenal- Your logic. Don't be so narrow minded.

cilldara13 (Kildare) - Posts: 261 - 22/04/2013 16:24:02    1371839

You said Kildare were favourites so I assumed you were referring too the bookies. The U-21 championship is a knock out comp so one off results determine the best team. I assume you've seen Mayo, Ros,Kerry, Tip, Monaghan etc playing when you're able to state that "Kildare and Dublin are best teams" in u21. If you haven't seen all these teams play then I'd say that you're the one who's wearing the blinkers. All teams named above ran one of top 3 u-21 teams close. I've said all I can say on this. Well done Galway and Cork

pdempsey (Mayo) - Posts: 1313 - 22/04/2013 16:43:13    1371862

Some of the rubbish here about Kildare and Dublin been the best teams has to be the most stupid ever
written. It reminds me about the time I heard a man say about a good footballer ;'He has a brother
at home who's a lot better but he never played'.

keelman (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 22/04/2013 17:36:18    1371907

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Who said anything about the bookies? If you'd an notion of the qualities that make up a good team you'd clearly see Kildare were/and are a better side. Fairplay to Galway they beat us. But anybody who knows anything about football will have seen Kildare were not only dominant on the day but stronger overall also. Dublin are head and shoulders above everyone at this age group. Coming from a kildare man too.

Blackburn Rovers knocked Arsenal out of the FA Cup at the Emirates. Blackburn are a better team than Arsenal- Your logic. Don't be so narrow minded.

Ah get over it, spouting muck, blowing your own teams trumpet even when yous get well beaten. What a sorry way to be. Some teams lose gracefully and admit they wern't up to it, but you and you're not the first Kildare fan to do it either, you just keep talking rubbish about being the best team in it.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 22/04/2013 19:50:49    1372027

A lot of posters seem to have difficulty getting past the idea that it doesn't matter a toss who has the best players, natural or otherwise, who has the most possession or attempts on goal. None of that matters.
No team from U8 on ever went out on to a pitch with any thought other than winning the game. The only thing that matters at the end of the day is what's on the scoreboard.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 22/04/2013 20:25:01    1372048

Muck your 100% right it's all about winning on the day, but my opinion is if Dublin had a fully fit squad to pick from they would have won it out.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 22/04/2013 20:45:24    1372054

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All I was saying is if Dublin had a fully fit team to pick from they would have won it again this year. If Cormac Costello ,Philly Ryan and a concussed Paul Mannion were fit they would have beaten Longford no question about that. And for me Kildare threw that game away on Saturday 21 wides is shocking but fair play to Galway for capitalising on Kildare's awful shooting.

With all the so called talent they have they should have had plenty of players to fill in

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 22/04/2013 20:50:58    1372061

Lads ye can moan and rant all ye want but the reality is that the two best teams in the competition, Galway and Cork will contest the All Ireland final in two weeks time. May the best team win.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1702 - 23/04/2013 15:12:50    1372372

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All I was saying is if Dublin had a fully fit team to pick from they would have won it again this year. If Cormac Costello ,Philly Ryan and a concussed Paul Mannion were fit they would have beaten Longford no question about that. And for me Kildare threw that game away on Saturday 21 wides is shocking but fair play to Galway for capitalising on Kildare's awful shooting.

You're obviously one of these cocky Dublin people who think ye are almost unbeatable and give the rest a bad name. Longford deserved their win and probably had injuries of their own, how can you be so certain that if ye had Mannion and Costello that ye would have beat Longford. They could have had an off day and kicked 21 wides between them like Kildare did the last day.
As for Kildare throwing it away, I think it was more to do with Galways impressive defending. Kildare couldn't kick from comfortable positions so they had to shoot from harder angles and further out. This was probably part of Galways game to stop Kildares forwards who are probably the best unit of u21 forwards.

Jackos_Wacko (Kerry) - Posts: 417 - 23/04/2013 15:33:38    1372386

Look it best of luck to both sides in the final. I hope Galway win. Very sound folk and I'd like to see them do it and convert it to senior level also as Galway have been missed for the last number of years.

In my mind Kildare and Dublin were and are both a lot stronger. What am I basing this on? Well first the semi final... Kildare were better on the in general and yes lost, ok. That happens sometimes and you'd rather it not at this stage but it did. Dublin were clearly just caught on the hop against Longford. Secondly, look at how many of the lads from both Kildare and Dublin are currently taking up starting places in their senior teams. Dublin the strongest in the country and Kildare well top 5,6 I suppose. Any Cork, Donegal, Tyrone, Mayo, Kerry lads involved with their seniors (3 plus...)? and for the others Galway, Cavan, etc... any featuring there? All be it at a completely different level to those at initially the top 3 and to a lesser extent top 5,6.

Dublin are way a head lads, so stop being so naive to think other wise.

cilldara13 (Kildare) - Posts: 261 - 23/04/2013 15:38:01    1372391

I don't think arguing with myopic Dublin or Kildare fans about the merits of the two u21 finalists is going to get anyone anywhere and it doesn't matter one way or the other as they are both out of the competition regardless if they consider themselves the "best". All I know is that I personally wouldn't trade any of the Galway players for any of the Kildare players so make of that what you will. Also I do think Galway like playing Kildare anyway as Kildare haven't beaten Galway at any level in the league or champiosnhip for well over 20 years so that is also a factor to be considered.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 23/04/2013 16:19:58    1372417

Cilldara 13; you're an embarrassment to Kildare. It's people like yourself who are setting Kildare up for the usual fall every year. Then the usual post stuff is posted here saying how unlucky Kildare are etc. Kildare are just not good enough. They're the fittest team in Ireland by a long way probably. But in football terms very few teams in leinster will fear them. I think the first round game against Offaly will be a lot closer than people think especially if Offaly win on Sunday. Kildare's system is so predictable with Bolton running forward the whole time and the ball is then passed to O'Connor who falls on the ground before laying it on for someone. I just think Kildare supporters need to be more realistic. Forget about Sam. A leinster is a more realistic target since I think they haven't won one since 2000?

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1078 - 23/04/2013 16:42:59    1372436

Cilldara 13; you're an embarrassment to Kildare. It's people like yourself who are setting Kildare up for the usual fall every year. Then the usual post stuff is posted here saying how unlucky Kildare are etc. Kildare are just not good enough. They're the fittest team in Ireland by a long way probably. But in football terms very few teams in leinster will fear them. I think the first round game against Offaly will be a lot closer than people think especially if Offaly win on Sunday. Kildare's system is so predictable with Bolton running forward the whole time and the ball is then passed to O'Connor who falls on the ground before laying it on for someone. I just think Kildare supporters need to be more realistic. Forget about Sam. A leinster is a more realistic target since I think they haven't won one since 2000?

Matthew (None) - Posts: 1078 - 23/04/2013 16:54:52    1372442

the reason Galway are in the final seems to be there economy of effort in front of gaol, Roscommon and Kildare both kicked a lot of wides against them, but Galway converted a much higher percentage of their scoring opportunities. At the end of the day what matters in Gaelic football is kicking the ball over the bar. Galway seem to be doing this better than the other teams and hence they are in the final.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 23/04/2013 17:04:08    1372448

Good to see this thread is staying on topic. I must have missed Bolton and O'Connor playing in Tullamore.

I think the Kildare (and Dublin) posters who are talking their teams up need to take a step back and realise this is knock-out football. You do it on the day or you don't. Kildare were terrible on Saturday and paid the price. Galway are in the final on merit.
End of discussion. Move on.

That said the same posters who take every opportunity to go on about fitness and natural footballers and all these pathetic cliches to put the boot into Kildare are equally wrong. Telling provincial-winning 19-20 year old players that they're gym monkeys and have no natural talent. Strange that there are a large number of players on the Kildare team who have been very prominent in AFL trials, Hogan Cup winning teams, Sigerson cup teams, the Leinster winning Kildare junior side, the O'Byrne cup winning sides and Division 1 football this year of course.

Both sets of posters the same. Saying whatever you want to the truth to be...

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 23/04/2013 17:09:11    1372450

I think the couple of Kildare and Dublin supporters on here trying to say they are streets ahead at this underage level are either very young or not following GAA too long.

You can't claim to be the best at anything if you get dumped out of the competition in the first round or before the final. I have no doubt they are all talented footballers and some of them will make the step up to senior, but you need to take defeat on the chin and stop making excuses - like not having a fit Paul Mannion!!

Donegal bowed out with Ulster and All-Ireland senior winners in their team and Cavan had a great side but you won't hear any excuses there, results don't lie.

SeanieSense (Donegal) - Posts: 328 - 23/04/2013 17:10:49    1372451

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Good to see this thread is staying on topic. I must have missed Bolton and O'Connor playing in Tullamore.

I think the Kildare (and Dublin) posters who are talking their teams up need to take a step back and realise this is knock-out football. You do it on the day or you don't. Kildare were terrible on Saturday and paid the price. Galway are in the final on merit.
End of discussion. Move on.

That said the same posters who take every opportunity to go on about fitness and natural footballers and all these pathetic cliches to put the boot into Kildare are equally wrong. Telling provincial-winning 19-20 year old players that they're gym monkeys and have no natural talent. Strange that there are a large number of players on the Kildare team who have been very prominent in AFL trials, Hogan Cup winning teams, Sigerson cup teams, the Leinster winning Kildare junior side, the O'Byrne cup winning sides and Division 1 football this year of course.

Both sets of posters the same. Saying whatever you want to the truth to be...

Reasoning and rational thought doesn't sit well with some people don't you know.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 23/04/2013 17:18:02    1372465

Galway and Cork fans are well entitled to argue with those claiming Kildare and Dublin are the best u21 teams. Truth being told I can't figure it out either.

But Matthew you cannot be rational when it comes to Kildare football so really your posts are meaningless. Between you and some of the noisy neighbours you'll just never let go.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 23/04/2013 17:34:26    1372477

would you look at all the brown nosing going on between the Dublin and Kildare lads! Kildare were the weakest of the 4 semi finalists on show last Saturday in Tullamore!

Mike_Clitoris69 (Cavan) - Posts: 230 - 23/04/2013 17:50:14    1372491