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It was an amalgamation that was carried out at the time with the utmost expediency,cloak and dagger negotiations,and scant regard for the rules and regulations which apply to amalgamations as per Croke Park directives. Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 23/10/2017 13:16:18 2057220 Link
What happens if Hollymount Carramore revert back to their own clubs? Who will play in the senior championship? Will both clubs have to start at junior level? Amalgamating is a difficult process but dissolving it is a lot harder, which side loses out, why should 1 club stay in a higher grade than the other club, should both have to start at the bottom and proceed from there riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 02/11/2017 21:16:43 2059878 Link
Replying To riverboys: "What happens if Hollymount Carramore revert back to their own clubs? Who will play in the senior championship? Will both clubs have to start at junior level? Amalgamating is a difficult process but dissolving it is a lot harder, which side loses out, why should 1 club stay in a higher grade than the other club, should both have to start at the bottom and proceed from there" I have heard Carramore don't have the numbers so you could have a situation where Hollymount/Carramore remains as a "club" and Hollymount form a new club under a new name. That's the word coming from south Mayo. A farcical mess. If you are a young lad who do you play for then? The GAA top brass in Mayo and indeed Croke Park really need to sort this out. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11542 - 03/11/2017 10:26:28 2059998 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I have heard Carramore don't have the numbers so you could have a situation where Hollymount/Carramore remains as a "club" and Hollymount form a new club under a new name. That's the word coming from south Mayo. A farcical mess. If you are a young lad who do you play for then? The GAA top brass in Mayo and indeed Croke Park really need to sort this out." The rules in Croke Park are clear,both clubs must revert to Junior. As the disentangling creates two new clubs.Carramore wont mind they have always been fit for Junior. Hollymount down to Junior will make the Junior championship very difficult to win. Brinsley Swartz (Mayo) - Posts: 2225 - 03/11/2017 12:14:34 2060036 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I have heard Carramore don't have the numbers so you could have a situation where Hollymount/Carramore remains as a "club" and Hollymount form a new club under a new name. That's the word coming from south Mayo. A farcical mess. If you are a young lad who do you play for then? The GAA top brass in Mayo and indeed Croke Park really need to sort this out." The top brass in the County Board is heavily populated with Hollymount/Carramore folk - some of whom may be responsible for this saga. I doubt Croke park officials will want to know. about it. If, as some posts indicate here, that the amalgamation was illegally set up then the simple solution is to revert back to two clubs as was before the amalgamation. I would be alarmed if the simple solution is adapted by the County Board!! imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 03/11/2017 13:05:29 2060069 Link
If Hollymount-Carramore was to be dissolved and two new clubs (as such) formed, does that mean both start from the Junior C championship and 1F league? mayoboy1 (Mayo) - Posts: 1654 - 07/11/2017 19:17:44 2061065 Link
Replying To mayoboy1: "If Hollymount-Carramore was to be dissolved and two new clubs (as such) formed, does that mean both start from the Junior C championship and 1F league?" According to all reports Hollymount Carramore will not be dissolved and the County board will not allow any new club set up imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 22/11/2017 15:24:24 2063281 Link
Replying To imonmyway: "According to all reports Hollymount Carramore will not be dissolved and the County board will not allow any new club set up" County board or possibly Croke Park? If such a president is set it may open a can of worms. Christ they brought peace to Northern Ireland, surly something can be worked out in Hollymount and Carramore areas....?? yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11542 - 23/11/2017 13:32:02 2063370 Link
Replying To imonmyway: "According to all reports Hollymount Carramore will not be dissolved and the County board will not allow any new club set up" I don't expect it to happen, but just wondering would they be pushed all the way to the bottom of the ladder? mayoboy1 (Mayo) - Posts: 1654 - 23/11/2017 19:55:03 2063408 Link
Replying To kitboy: "Seems the problem is theres too many Hollymount people looking at past glories rather than the future!!" The very bottom is where the new team(s) would have to go is what I've heard. Imagine your a player happy playing senior and division 1 league and all of a sudden your down at the bottom....I could see players moving to neighboring clubs as a sign of disgust or protest or whatever you call it. yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11542 - 24/11/2017 18:48:21 2063476 Link
Was the 1990s a poor winters, where has this baby boom come from, if there was a population problem in south Mayo 4 or 5 years ago what has changed, has Hollymount Carramore Garrymore The Neale Davitts a massive population increase lately, seems that some people in Hollymount have a problem with the amalgamation from 4 or 5 years ago, too late to make objections, maybe if numbers increased and team was performing badly then there would be an argument to revert back to the old clubs but with it being successful its a no brainer. Co Board shouldn't even entertain the idea, up in north Mayo I haven't heard of complaints from Keenagh regarding their amalgamation with Crossmolina from 15-20 years ago where their parish and club name isn't even mentioned in the Crossmolina Deel Rovers club name and they aren't setting the world alight. It seems people in Holly have an issue with them not having full control of their club and team riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 27/11/2017 13:52:40 2063777 Link
Replying To riverboys: "Was the 1990s a poor winters, where has this baby boom come from, if there was a population problem in south Mayo 4 or 5 years ago what has changed, has Hollymount Carramore Garrymore The Neale Davitts a massive population increase lately, seems that some people in Hollymount have a problem with the amalgamation from 4 or 5 years ago, too late to make objections, maybe if numbers increased and team was performing badly then there would be an argument to revert back to the old clubs but with it being successful its a no brainer. Co Board shouldn't even entertain the idea, up in north Mayo I haven't heard of complaints from Keenagh regarding their amalgamation with Crossmolina from 15-20 years ago where their parish and club name isn't even mentioned in the Crossmolina Deel Rovers club name and they aren't setting the world alight. It seems people in Holly have an issue with them not having full control of their club and team" Had a coffee with a top Holly/Carramore man today and there's no problem at all in either camp, just about 3/4 people who don't play at all and won't allow anyone other than Hollymount use the pitch. None of the players or club officials will have any dealings with these people. Might be good if people posting here got their facts right before posting absolute rubbish. davittsman (Mayo) - Posts: 337 - 07/12/2017 17:14:12 2064625 Link
Replying To davittsman: "Had a coffee with a top Holly/Carramore man today and there's no problem at all in either camp, just about 3/4 people who don't play at all using their positions and won't allow anyone other than Hollymount use the pitch. None of the players or club officials will have any dealings with these people. Might be good if people posting here got their facts right before posting absolute rubbish." I would not believe anything from the top table in that club. They have misled the members and the community there from day 1 to force through an illegal amalgamation. They try to downplay any trouble There was over 100 people at a recent meeting in Hollymount when it was decided to seek to reestablish a Hollymount club. Some of the senior team attended that meeting. So that is more than the 3 or 4 you mentioned. So be careful what "facts" you are reporting yourself nextyear (Mayo) - Posts: 60 - 11/12/2017 18:21:36 2064878 Link
I see a vote last night on the formation of a new club in Hollymount has been deferred. Does this mean there is a possibility of 2 clubs in the one village? yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11542 - 23/01/2018 10:02:56 2070035 Link
Replying To yew_tree: "I see a vote last night on the formation of a new club in Hollymount has been deferred. Does this mean there is a possibility of 2 clubs in the one village?" Possibility of 3 clubs as Garrymore are also there. imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 23/01/2018 10:29:49 2070042 Link
Replying To davittsman: "Had a coffee with a top Holly/Carramore man today and there's no problem at all in either camp, just about 3/4 people who don't play at all and won't allow anyone other than Hollymount use the pitch. None of the players or club officials will have any dealings with these people. Might be good if people posting here got their facts right before posting absolute rubbish." Just getting report from County Board meeting last night - it seems there was more than 3/4 people there from St Comans - in excess of 20!! The issues appear alot greater than we have been led to believe imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 23/01/2018 12:37:30 2070069 Link
Replying To imonmyway: "Just getting report from County Board meeting last night - it seems there was more than 3/4 people there from St Comans - in excess of 20!! The issues appear alot greater than we have been led to believe" The issues appear a lot greater indeed. I read a document that was circulated to clubs. Also circulated on twitter. Hollymount-Carramore presented themselves to aib with fraudulent documents in order to take over a bank account. However Holly-carra did not take on Hollymount's loan debt which is a condition of amalgamation. They are now not paying the loan and guarantors from Hollymount are accountable for club debt. When certain Hollymount people tried to join the Holly-carra club they were subject to conditions that no other members were subject to and their membership rejected. A lot more in the document explaining how corrupt (and illegal) the amalgamation is. Hollymount have legal advice and will take the case to DRA if required. nextyear (Mayo) - Posts: 60 - 24/01/2018 16:04:35 2070371 Link
Replying To nextyear: "The issues appear a lot greater indeed. I read a document that was circulated to clubs. Also circulated on twitter. Hollymount-Carramore presented themselves to aib with fraudulent documents in order to take over a bank account. However Holly-carra did not take on Hollymount's loan debt which is a condition of amalgamation. They are now not paying the loan and guarantors from Hollymount are accountable for club debt. When certain Hollymount people tried to join the Holly-carra club they were subject to conditions that no other members were subject to and their membership rejected. A lot more in the document explaining how corrupt (and illegal) the amalgamation is. Hollymount have legal advice and will take the case to DRA if required." Some serious allegations there nextyear!! This saga is never ending imonmyway (Mayo) - Posts: 113 - 25/01/2018 09:32:14 2070505 Link
If what the other posters are saying is true then the co board didn't do their homework properly before allowing amalgamation of Hollymount and Carramore it's their mess and as usual the co board have made a balls of something, they didn't learn anything from the amalgamation of Moygownagh and Ardagh in north Mayo few years ago where the clubs joined together for playing purposes but still retained their separate clubs and bank accounts but the co board told them that at co board meetings they only had 1 vote instead of 2 as in theory they are an amalgamated club even though Ardagh and Moygownagh are 2 separate clubs riverboys (Mayo) - Posts: 1389 - 25/01/2018 10:23:56 2070518 Link
Replying To imonmyway: "Some serious allegations there nextyear!! This saga is never ending" Very serious allegations and not really disputed from what I gather. It's worth reading the document. Mid west radio sport posted it on twitter Monday night https://twitter.com/MWRSport/status/955532012013740032?s=08 Also a plea from Holly-carra not to allow Hollymount club set up nextyear (Mayo) - Posts: 60 - 25/01/2018 11:16:03 2070535 Link