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omahant (USA) - Posts: 3322 - 12/12/2012 12:09:13    1309480

Is a Yellow card and you are sub'd too hrsh ?
Say 15 min sin bin is a better punishment for crime fit ?

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3322 - 12/12/2012 12:16:43    1309488

I would modify the Yellow Card proposal -
Yellow 4+, off no sub; Yellow 2 and 3, off with sub;
BUTn 1st Yellow only operates convensionally - warning with
2nd being red.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 3322 - 12/12/2012 12:36:51    1309500

Omahant are you trying to say that the forth person to get a yellow card on the team will havta to go off without a sub, even if its his first foul. What's the difference between the player receiving the first yellow and the player receiving the forth.

1weeword (Donegal) - Posts: 29 - 12/12/2012 16:43:55    1309682

Some good rules. Some obvious problems ignored...

Defo teams should have been reduced to 12 or 13 a side. There are too many people on the pitch.

Red cards for certain offences eg stopping a goal. This and the above would mean there would be a disincentive to foul.

The proposed rule around yellow cards is daft. A cute team will just bring on a few deliberate foulers at the start, they injure the opposition star men and then get subbed.

The yellow card and mark rule will both slow down and over complicate the game.

What is needed for gaelic football to be a better spectacle is 1. Less players on the pitch 2. Red cards enforced for serious fouls. 3. Some payment to top players so they don't work and can focus on skills. A lot of rule changes are skirting around the issue of wanting better skills but don't want to address that professional players are more skillful for a reason.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 12/12/2012 18:24:26    1309744

With the yellow card rule . i think Managers mightnt start their best 15 , theyll wait and see how game is going, or what is to stop them putting on players to rough up an oppenent and then let him get subbed for the better player. on the other hand if the good players start and are subbed early it will ruin what could of been a good game.
Think the mark will slow every thing down, but if player gets mark, will yellow card rule apply to opposition player who doesnt move back quick enough. would like to see this in a heated championship match(just out of curiousity), trying it in league will give a false impression.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 12/12/2012 20:42:51    1309824

Instead of the substitution, award a 14 yard free instead. A simple idea which would put a stop to all cynical fouling.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 12/12/2012 21:13:12    1309849

the 30 yard rule is the one rule I agree with, teams previously had been slowing the opposition down and stopping them taking quick frees so they could funnel players back. Now if the try this the free can be brought into a more scoreable position, should hopefully stop back chat to referees also.

Rosineri1 (UK) - Posts: 2099 - 13/12/2012 14:36:54    1310069

I think the "state" of the game is blown out of proportion, we had plenty of cracking games this past couple of years, these rules have been in place for long enough and where there when people say football was at it best when it was catch and kick (aimlessly)
The game, tactics and style of play will change over the years and develop again and again so no need to change anything, its the game we all love so lets not let these new rules turn it into aussie rules

WHY FIX SOMETHING THATS NOT BROKE???

hogan11 (Down) - Posts: 59 - 13/12/2012 16:14:48    1310133

Here's a proposal. Ask referees to read the rule book. Give them a whistle each and instruct them on how to use it. Tell them that in each match, whenever a rule is broken to blow the whistle in accordance with the rule book. Tell them that no matter how often teams commit fouls or complain, keep giving a free each and every time a rule is broken. If both teams end with 9 players, so be it.




well said ice honesty

hogan11 (Down) - Posts: 59 - 13/12/2012 16:20:04    1310140

few points..

dont agree with being subbed for 1 tough or maybe badly timed challenge, thats hardly fair and would be harsher on defenders..

dont see how mark will slow game down. from what i see, players dont get any protection from a ref when they do fiels a kick out, so many people are in for a break, by the time they land their surrounded by several players. i dont see this arguement of slowing it down. a midfielder catches the ball, looks up and can deliver a 40 yard pass into his forward line unopposed.. this would speed up the game imo..

pick off the ground?? why is this even a proposal!!

some people want 13 a side.. i think it all depends on the pitch, each pitch is different to play on..

personally if no changes were made id be happy enough..

81DLSAM (Donegal) - Posts: 281 - 13/12/2012 21:40:16    1310339

The new yellow card proposal is fundamentally wrong, it treats the same infringement (eg a late tackle) differently, depending on what has gone on in the game beforehand. We are looking for consistency in the rules and refereeing, this only adds to the inconsistenty.

Either bring in the sin bin, or else just clearly define what warrants a yellow card and what doesnt. I think its a good idea that a player would be required to place the ball on the ground if he commits a foul, if he doesnt - yellow card. Thats consistent, and players would very quickly learn from it if they get booked for holding onto the ball after a foul.

The same goes for blocking a player who has won a free from taking it quickly. if a player hasnt retreated 10 meters within 5 seconds, a booking.

I'm undecided on the mark, torn between possibly slowing the game down or continuing to penalise a player who makes a clean catch by simply allowing opposing players to surround him once he lands. People said that would mean that a good fielder would be spoiled by the opposition. That is the case already, I regularly try to spoil a midfielder who has a better high catch than me by just trying to break the ball or prevent him from jumping. I simply cant see teams allowing the opposition to catch uncontested as every team wants to win primary posession from the kickout.

galwaygael (Galway) - Posts: 61 - 14/12/2012 11:50:41    1310423

I dont get the whole yellow card thing since the problem is that Referees are allowing teams to crowd around an attacking player. We all know that when an attack takes please, most notably against Donegal/Tyrone and Dublin and the rest, that the player in possession is surrounded by at least three opposing players. More times than not the attacker is blown up for over carrying or the ball is just turned over. Its totally sickening to watch time and time again.

There just needs to be a simple ruling that a player in possession must have the advantage, sure all of last year ref,s turned a blind eye against this cynical blanket and now they're gonna start issuing yellow cards - talk about extremity - a foul and a free kick would be enough.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 14/12/2012 12:25:51    1310445

So its basically jumping from allowing cynical fouling to issuing a yellow card and then the player must be substituted on top of that - The famous all or nothing approach

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 14/12/2012 12:49:49    1310462

Can someone explain to me at all what the "clean pick up" rule might entail? Am I reading it right in that you wouldn't have to put a foot under the ball to pick it up but could just lift it off the floor?

I can't picture this "one foot on the ground" thing about it either.

Any pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated.

The_Panacea (UK) - Posts: 67 - 16/12/2012 18:45:17    1311205

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1311205 Can someone explain to me at all what the "clean pick up" rule might entail? Am I reading it right in that you wouldn't have to put a foot under the ball to pick it up but could just lift it off the floor?

I can't picture this "one foot on the ground" thing about it either.

Any pointing me in the right direction would be appreciated

I think the one foot on the ground thing is suggesting that the player cannot lift the ball whilst lying on the ground or on their knees.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 17/12/2012 13:15:53    1311355

'The mark', ffs what next, an oval ball perhaps! NFL style helmets maybe!

Granted, gaelic football isn't pretty at the moment, with its emphasis on bodybuilding (kildare),
highly conditioned athleticism, uber defensive tactics and player poaching, but if McGee and his
cronies get it their way we will end up with aussie fkn rules! Its bad enough having the
hybrid/bastardized game once every couple of years, but it seems that these lads want to make
it a permanent thing! And Shame on us for allowing it to happen!!!

It will probably be down to us in ulster to stand against them, and protect our gaelic football heritage,
Unlike our sisters in the south, we tend to fight back!

Ulster says NO to the mark!!!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 17/12/2012 14:47:26    1311397