yes germany is a serious possibility due to it being a lot cheaper than england plus the quality of football is great....soccer has always been a glamour game....yeah there would be very few me included who have any experience in relation to local american football or basketball although i have some experience in basketball but there is very little on offer bar abroad

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/12/2012 17:14:18    1306906

bad.monkey
County: USA
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1306741 ...Yes we are more influenced by US and British culture than Finnish or Russian culture mainly because we share a common language, culture and society. Quite simply , our society and US society is based on the British model and laws, we share many interests and past times. the whole world is hugely influenced now by US and British culture through films, tv, sport.

Irish language, society and culture is dirfferent to English and American culture, language and society. Its just that Irish people have chosen to adopt English/American culture, language and society as their own. This is my point. Thats all. People here are taking it personally. I am just speaking the truth. We have become as British as the British themselves.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 09:36:33    1307098

ffgg
County: Longford
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1306868 your fully entitled to your opinions lads but calling people brainwashed is going overboard and fairly disrespectful

Look man, you are one of the brainwashed. You cannot see it. Its like trying to get an alcoholic to admit he is an alcoholic. Don't take it personally. Most of the people on this great little island of ours are in the same boat.

...its a bit sad culann that you feel the need to question my interests..i also watch the nba online as it is not available on tv anymore in ireland

I am questioning your inerests no more than you are questioning mine. You were asking me basketball and amercan football questions. Questions about my favourite place to go on holiday etc etc.

By the way, ffgg what did you make of my economic point, especially after the damage inflicted on us as a nation yesterday.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 09:42:09    1307102

ffgg,

I asked you a qnother question above. Why are you against members of the British royal family being on the front pages of 'our' newspapers yet you have no problem with Rooney or Gerard being on our back pages. Same thing is it not?

Another observation, how come Irish people prenounce Des Cahill one way and the Britsish football who's surname is also Cahaill in a different way. They pronounce it as Kay Hill. Can anyone tell me. Is it the media again? Are we being brainwashed into pronouncing like British people. Just a simple little observation and a thought!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 09:50:21    1307109

Culann
Cahill is actually an Australian obviously of Irish descent. Maybe he is pronounced Kay Hill in Australia. What makes me wonder everytime I hear it is why the British cannot seem to be able to pronounce the word tricolor. I Watched a quiz recently where the contestant was asked to name the colours on the Irish flag. When she answered correctly, the compere said "yes it called the trick olour" How a professional TV presenter cannot pronounce a word in his own language is difficult to comprehend.

What is more annoying though is how many Irish radio and TV presenters cannot get the geographical location of Britain correct. "Over in the UK or "In the Uk" are commonly heard phrases when referring usually to a story in England. Britain is England, Scotland and Wales exclusive of Northern Ireland. So when they say for example "over in Birmingham in the UK today" translates as "over in Bermingham in the United Kingdom of great Britain and Northern Ireland today", which is not just incorrect but illogical. Whether it's just linguistic laziness like using Britain instead of being more specific in saying England when most news stories originate in England rather than Scotland or Wales or whether it's official policy I don't know. It doesn't just happen with the state broadcastor which should know better but with privately owned radio outlets. I don't know about the English Newsparers that pretend to be Irish as I only read their sport content during the GAA season and couldn't be bothered with their pages and pages of coverage of overpriced and overpaid soccer players who wouldn't hold a candle to any of our Footballers and hurlers.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3027 - 06/12/2012 11:49:43    1307160

The irony of using the world wide web (created in Britain) on the internet (created by the US Army) to decry the influence of British and American consumerist culture on us Irish. We are all brainwashed. I agree.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 06/12/2012 12:46:53    1307191

bennybunny
County: Cork
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The irony of using the world wide web (created in Britain) on the internet (created by the US Army) to decry the influence of British and American consumerist culture on us Irish. We are all brainwashed. I agree.

Do you think we'd have reached developing electricity at this stage if we had been left untouched by outside influences for the last few hundred years?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 06/12/2012 13:41:24    1307210

Yis are in denial lads. Do whatever you want. Thats what democracy is all about. Don't take it personally. I am just pointing out the way things are. I'm not rying to annoy you. If ye want to adopt the english soccer elague as your own go for it. If people want to spend there hard earned money on british soccer merchandise or on trips abraod to Britain to watch their heroes play soccer- hence supporting the british economy - go for it. Life is all about choices.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 14:05:17    1307227

lilywhite1
County: Kildare
Posts: 1473

1307160 Culann
Cahill is actually an Australian obviously of Irish descent. Maybe he is pronounced Kay Hill in Australia.

ye bur its pronounced Des 'Cahill' in Ireland. I'm talking about Irish people insistent on calling Kay Hill. I'm not talking abou what the Brits or the Austrailians call him.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 14:07:29    1307228

If you want to continue to use the English language on here and bury the Irish language, you should also feel free to . I'm sure the sons of Roisin are weeping though :(

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 06/12/2012 14:24:16    1307244

He pronounces it Kay-Hill it would very disrespectful to call him anything else

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 06/12/2012 14:27:12    1307246

The World Wide Web was not created in Britain but by an English scientist, Tim Berners Lee while working at (CERN) European Organization for Nuclear Research in Geneva and who was assisted by a number of his colleagues there. There is nothing ironic about expressing an opinion via a means of communication irrespective of where it was invented. This holds true going back to the invention of ink by the Chinese after which written communication became widespread.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3027 - 06/12/2012 14:29:44    1307248

If you want to continue to use the English language on here and bury the Irish language, you should also feel free to . I'm sure the sons of Roisin are weeping though :(
bad.monkey , 06/12/2012 at 14:24

Bad.monkey, a mhac, I was told by Hogan Stand that users on this site used to complain when I posted as Gaeilge and that I was starting too many threads as Gaeilge here. They told they were only going to permit the odd one - so I cannot feel free to do so. Only in this great country of ours would this hapen!! As you say yourself I am sure the Sons of Róisín are weeping.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 14:33:05    1307251

Culann
I wasn't aware that Irish people pronounced Cahill, Kay Hill until I remembered hearing a well known RTE commentator doing it.

lilywhite1 (Kildare) - Posts: 3027 - 06/12/2012 14:34:09    1307252

Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 1141

lilywhite1
County: Kildare
Posts: 1473

Culann
Cahill is actually an Australian obviously of Irish descent. Maybe he is pronounced Kay Hill in Australia.

ye bur its pronounced Des 'Cahill' in Ireland. I'm talking about Irish people insistent on calling Kay Hill. I'm not talking abou what the Brits or the Austrailians call him.

On the topic of pronouncing footballers names, if Laurent Blanc ever takes over a Premiership club would you like us to refer to him as Larry White?

Personally I think it's only fair that somebody like Gary Cahill or Tim Cahill is referred to the way they pronounce the name themselves, if they call themselves Kayhill then surely it's only respectful for us to do the same?

If any player has a name which is the same in spelling but different in pronunciation to what we use in Ireland then isn't it right that we show respect and call them what they see themselves as being called?

Why should we call somebody anything other than what the rest of the world calls them, and more importantly what they call themselves.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 06/12/2012 14:34:15    1307253

well i have no problem with the footballers as people are mad into football so its what interests them....ah yes calling people brainwashed with seperate opinions to you then acting all upset when your called inward and isolationist...feel free to ask about my interests more if u wish but they are global interests as we live in a globalised era where everything is available...well if thats the way the man himself wants it pronounced then that should be the way its pronounced..this rambling has just gone crazy now whinging about pronunciations!!..lighten up please

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 06/12/2012 14:42:57    1307261

dont be using the internet culann it would be hypocritcal of you to use a british creation

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 06/12/2012 14:43:56    1307262

On the topic of pronouncing footballers names, if Laurent Blanc ever takes over a Premiership club would you like us to refer to him as Larry White?

Personally I think it's only fair that somebody like Gary Cahill or Tim Cahill is referred to the way they pronounce the name themselves, if they call themselves Kayhill then surely it's only respectful for us to do the same?

If any player has a name which is the same in spelling but different in pronunciation to what we use in Ireland then isn't it right that we show respect and call them what they see themselves as being called?

Why should we call somebody anything other than what the rest of the world calls them, and more importantly what they call themselves.
if_in_doubt , 06/12/2012 at 14:34


Firste off, if his name Laurent Blanc why would you call him larry white? Do you honestly think that is what I am suggesting? If so, where did I give that impression?

Secondly, how do you know that Cahill does pronounce his name Kay Hill? Or are you just assuming?

Thirdly, the great Dublin footballer, when playing soccer in England, used to be referred to as Kevin more anne. Do you take issue with this?

Reagrding Cahill or Kay Hill, if you do not know how they pronounce it themselves why not just pronounce it as you would yourself - Cahill.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 14:48:03    1307265

lilywhite1
County: Kildare
Posts: 1475

1307252 Culann
I wasn't aware that Irish people pronounced Cahill, Kay Hill until I remembered hearing a well known RTE commentator doing it.

I know that TodayFM, Newstalk (Off the Ball) and RTÉ all pronounce it Kay Hill.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 06/12/2012 14:49:37    1307268

well if thats the way the man wants it pronounced whats the issue?

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 06/12/2012 14:55:45    1307273