i am a massive fan of the bundesliga bayern and dortmund are great teams to watch

ffgg,

Are those games shown on the television?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 05/12/2012 11:28:11    1306677

Imagine a newspaper reporting international news, it's a disgrace!!! Only irish news, none of that foreign stuff please. No other country's papers are carrying this story, oh wait it's front page news around the world even front page of the Wall St Journal . Ireland is a small part of a larger world, take you head out of the sand. As for sport the Irish papers carry huge amount of Irish sport - rugby, GAA, golf and also EPL because it is very popular here, the LOI is not popular - if it was it would get more coverage. Blame the soccer fans for this not the papers

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 05/12/2012 11:35:24    1306686

People have said here that 170,000 go abroad to watch Britidh soccer every year. Say, each of them spend €100 while in Britain - and thats understating my point. That is equal to 17,000,000 that leaves our shores to support the British leagues. Imagine if a fraction of that money was spent in their own country on their own league or on other things in their own country!

Does anyone know how much money is spent yearly on the merchandise of these British soccer teams? I'd imagine its millions and millions. All that money leaving the country to benefit big money institutions in England and in Scotland. In the meantime our own leagues (and they are our own whether we like it or not) suffer and go out of business on a daily basis. The GAA are suffering because of this too by the way and everyone on this site I presume is interested in gaelic games and in the future of the GAA.

Not very patriotic - but i'll probably be critrisized for saying that!!! Enjoy the budget today folks!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 05/12/2012 11:37:11    1306688

Imagine a newspaper reporting international news, it's a disgrace!!! Only irish news, none of that foreign stuff please.

No one is suggesting that and I think you know it. The point is there is a huge proporition of British/American in 'ou' newspapers. Nearly as much as there is Irish news. Again, I think you realise that that is what was meant. Look at the back pages of our papers. Look at the font pages. Its not hard to notice that British news often dominates 'our' newspapers.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 05/12/2012 12:05:37    1306703

Most good newspapers will have half domestic and half international news, shocker I know - people want to read news from around the globe as well as Irish news. All the main broadsheets in Ireland have the majority Irish sport and EPL as this is very popular here. They will also carry other international sports news - cycling tours, basketball, cricket, NFL.. They will also give extended coverage to Irish participants in these international events. Perhaps An Phoblacht has a sports section that may interest some here

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 05/12/2012 12:18:13    1306713

Most good newspapers will have half domestic and half international news, shocker I know - people want to read news from around the globe as well as Irish news

Rubbish bad.monkey. Thats not the way it is in other countries. You live in America. You should know that. Look, if you think there is nothing irregular about the news in Irish papers, thats fair enough but British and American culture is what dominates our papers. Not French culture, nor Greek cultur (a wee tiny bit of Greek news maybe), not German cultur, not Finish culture, not Russian culture. Thats's the truth. Maybe you are blind to it, nut that is the truth. Look at the American sports pages for flip sake. Look at the American headlines. The British Royal family do not dominate them. There might be an article on them but that, i'd imagine, is where it stops.

Look I am not trying to insult people who support British sport, culture, music, television programmes, passtimes etc.. Thats just the way Irish society has become. All I am doing is pointing that out and saying basically that that is not for me. If I can influence anyone here that what I am saying is the truth and they heed what I am saying I will be delighted. I am just being realistic and describing things the way they are. There used to be saying that when our planters came that they became more Irish than the Irish themselves. Well, I feel, we have now become more Btisih than the British themselves. Maybe that a good thing...but its not for me thanks.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 05/12/2012 12:32:13    1306716

bad.monkey
County: USA
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1306686
Imagine a newspaper reporting international news, it's a disgrace!!! Only irish news, none of that foreign stuff please. No other country's papers are carrying this story, oh wait it's front page news around the world even front page of the Wall St Journal . Ireland is a small part of a larger world, take you head out of the sand. As for sport the Irish papers carry huge amount of Irish sport - rugby, GAA, golf and also EPL because it is very popular here, the LOI is not popular - if it was it would get more coverage. Blame the soccer fans for this not the papers

but its not international news thats the point fair enough if they were to do that like informing you of major things throughout the world but thats the problem its 90% british news and 10 % american news you only get a snippet of things from the rest of the world.america was not invaded and tortured and murdered by the british monarchy for nothing other then greed like we were though where they?yet again epl is not irish so how is it classed under irish sport by you?its not popular for that very reason it kepps getting put down and not promoted.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2012 12:39:38    1306719

culann

did you watch basu the other night (apologise for no fada haha).
it was story of rory o connor and showed how even back then that the media led the campaign to get the treaty passed and were totaly one sided in its coverage towards the free state.was very good programme

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2012 12:47:10    1306724

hill16no1man
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1306724 culann

did you watch basu the other night (apologise for no fada haha).
it was story of rory o connor and showed how even back then that the media led the campaign to get the treaty passed and were totaly one sided in its coverage towards the free state.was very good programme

No. I didn't see that hill. I take it it was on TG4 - the best station for covering anything to do with out history, heritage or things Irish (and not only Irish language) etc etc.. What you are saying, though, does not surprise me in the least. I wouldn't mind taking a look at that programme though.

Irish people are being brainwashed and they do not know it. The things they are being brainwashed on they see it as building bridges with Britan or say people are closed minded. Unbelievable!! It saddens me.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 05/12/2012 13:07:02    1306732

true man agree
yeah was on tg4 you can get on the tg4 player as thei is going to be a second part to it yeah very good it is

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2012 13:15:37    1306738

Culann Kate Middletons pregnancy was front page news in all the major US papers as it was around the world. Yes we are more influenced by US and British culture than Finnish or Russian culture mainly because we share a common language, culture and society. Quite simply , our society and US society is based on the British model and laws, we share many interests and past times. the whole world is hugely influenced now by US and British culture through films, tv, sport. If you do not want to read about events outside Ireland , the main section of the Irish papers are dedicated to domestic news.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 05/12/2012 13:19:50    1306741

yes culann they would be on espn most weeks or i watch them through internet streams online if they are not as it is very accessible to watch bundesliga online..plus their champions league games are provided during the week....why do you ask?....i dont have a problem with epl players being on back pages as thats what people are interested in

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/12/2012 16:32:00    1306851

its what english media is interested in so the irish versions follow suit which leads you to think all irish people must want it without any facts that they do.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2012 16:34:13    1306856

yeah the kate middleton thing seems to be massive in america judging by twitter so lads i dont know what your saying there...dont be bringing up the treaty hill thats just getting into murkier waters although i agree tg4 is very good for some irish history shows...we are always going to be more susceptible to countries who are fellow english speakers similar to austrians with germans etc

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/12/2012 16:35:11    1306858

your fully entitled to your opinions lads but calling people brainwashed is going overboard and fairly disrespectful...its a bit sad culann that you feel the need to question my interests..i also watch the nba online as it is not available on tv anymore in ireland

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/12/2012 16:47:02    1306868

hill16no1man
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whats the alternative to an irish newspaper to read about irish news smart alec?
if it was trying to insult me your wrong i dont buy them i read them online for free the only newspaper i would actualy buy is the evening herald as it actualy provides me of news and sport in my area.yes and thats my point our national newspapers dont exist we have a british run media which leads to the heavily influenced people here into following british sports and culture you actualy made my point for me without realising you were doing it haha priceless.
of course there going to sell there no alternative is there thats like saying clothes are selling whats the alternative to clothes haha

Why would I be trying to insult you? Just because I disagree with you hardly means I'm going to resort to that does it?

You've said it there yourself, we don't have any national newspapers, we have sister papers to British ones, with a lot of the same articles copied and pasted in.

You've also answered your own question there too. The alternative, like you said to buying these papers is too take advantage of other media outlets, online, tv, radio etc. Again though like you said if people still want to buy papers that focus more on Irish sport then the Herald is definitely the one to get. Surely if enough people stopped buying the "Irish" British papers and instead bought ones that focus on Irish news and sport it would affect sales and readership levels, and thus affect income generated by selling advertising space in the paper, once money comes into play then maybe the editors will take notice?

I'm agreeing with you in part but I'm also disagreeing with you in part, how I've made your own point for you without realising it I don't know though.

Not sure if clothing has any real relevance to the topic here to be honest. I suppose the obvious alternative to clothing though would be to not wear any. How society would acpet that though is another debate altogether. Then again though there is plenty of different options available in terms of clothing, styles, brands and material etc. I suppose it is a bit like newspapers actually, if you don't like one type, don't buy it, there's enough of a selection out there for you to be able to find something you like.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 05/12/2012 16:54:38    1306876

but thats it ffgg earlier you posted saying it was ridiculous that kate middleton was all over the irish independant but now your changin your view on this just becuase she is on the american papers too can you not see our point that in this instance it has clearly changed your opinion.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2012 16:55:14    1306877

no my opinion hasnt changed i dont understand why shes on it but im saying the americans have her also so for yee lads to go on about it being only us is incorrect

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/12/2012 16:58:47    1306881

everybody is fully aware the 2 main papers in ireland are basically sister papers of their british counterparts so i dont see what the issue is all of a sudden?..its always been like this..read the herald if you want mainly irish sport its a pretty good paper although slightly tabloidish

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 05/12/2012 17:02:11    1306884

Culann
County: Dublin
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People have said here that 170,000 go abroad to watch Britidh soccer every year. Say, each of them spend €100 while in Britain - and thats understating my point. That is equal to 17,000,000 that leaves our shores to support the British leagues. Imagine if a fraction of that money was spent in their own country on their own league or on other things in their own country!

Does anyone know how much money is spent yearly on the merchandise of these British soccer teams? I'd imagine its millions and millions. All that money leaving the country to benefit big money institutions in England and in Scotland. In the meantime our own leagues (and they are our own whether we like it or not) suffer and go out of business on a daily basis. The GAA are suffering because of this too by the way and everyone on this site I presume is interested in gaelic games and in the future of the GAA.

Not very patriotic - but i'll probably be critrisized for saying that!!! Enjoy the budget today folks!

Read a report a good few months back that was published by Visit Britain or a similar tourism body, apparently Irish people spend around €100 million per year attending football games in Britain, not sure how the figure was broken down between travel costs and food, drink and merchandise though. The number of Irish people travelling over has obviously dropped in line with the economy though, closer to 300,000 would have made trips over four or five years ago, and the average spend would have been over €500 all in. Imagine how much better off we'd be if even a tiny fraction of that money was spent on the league and proper infrastructure here?

The impressive thing though is that over 80,000 Norwegians travel to attend Premiership matches each year, I'm sure they spend just as much, if not more than the Irish fans going over, yet the also have there own well supported professional league at home on their doorstep. Must be all that Viking gold.

People want to buy into the glamour and popularity of the Premiership, it's the most marketable league in the world, with millions of fans all over Asia and America, it's only natural that people will gravitate towards higher levels of the sport, maybe some might start following the German league instead now? Whether we like it or not, more people will want to attach themselves to successful foreign team than get involved with supporting their own local side. I know plenty of people who follow the NFL and the NBA, yet I only know one person who actually players American football at home in Ireland, and three who play basketball. Again off topic but it's all part of the same argument I suppose.

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 05/12/2012 17:06:55    1306891