badmonkey

the media do have a duty as do they have a duty to inform the public of financial and crime and public interest matters thats why they exist but they are very badly regulated just look at louis walsh how he suffered at the hands of them wanting to run something for their own gain.
because something is promoted more does not mean people want to hear it more you cant get away from facts despite the gaa poor marketing and hardly any media coverage it still remains the number one sport of choice in ireland so therefore it makes more financial sense to give the most popular sport the most billing.
our national media sadly is not really irish its more or less british with irish names or flags stuck in front of the titles

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/12/2012 17:20:03    1305219

Where exactly does this duty come from? They have a legal obligation to work towards maximizing their shareholders wealth (state broadcasters aside)

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4649 - 01/12/2012 17:31:29    1305228

You could say its a moral duty badmonkey but youre absoloutely right,its all business at the end of the day.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 01/12/2012 17:37:29    1305231

bad.monkey
County: USA
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1305228 Where exactly does this duty come from? They have a legal obligation to work towards maximizing their shareholders wealth (state broadcasters aside)

Dont have any legal obligation, each person wants to keep their job and keep the person above them happy, so it can be what sells is reported or what particular agenda is wanted at a given time,
Naive to think what the people want and whats most popular at the time is always put into print. Its a business alright with huge power and agendas.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 01/12/2012 19:01:06    1305264

The media are going to herd. They will follow the leader in their industry and if they do not they risk becoming noncompetitive. Sky/Independent News Corp (in terms of sport) are the media heavyweights in this part of the world. What they deem to sports news is the industry standard. Others must tow the line just to remain competitive. If Sky pump billions into soccer advertising, then RTE must also at least try to match it or they lose. Sky have four sports channels and not a scrap of GAA on any of it. Sky could do an a great job with GAA in the summer (I am not suggesting here that they get everything but they should/could be given something).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/12/2012 21:02:19    1305307

but bennybunny soccer is the biggest sport in england thats why sky pump the money into it,where as in ireland gaa is the biggest sport so you have to go by whats biggest in each country not across the world,sure look at new zealand rugby is their biggest sport im sure it gets the most ink and coverage in new zealand

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 01/12/2012 21:29:32    1305324

but Hill16 according to the sportscouncil of Ireland, soccer is actually the largest team sport in the country (with 9% of the adult population taking part) with Gaelic football and hurling combined (2 different sports) being played by 7% of the adult population. That is in terms of participation. In terms of attending, yes the GAA is the biggest but it is difficult to make comparisons with soccer here given the large cohort of people that choose to go abroad to watch soccer games. However, I would speculate that factoring in the relevant costs of attending games in the UK as opposed to attending GAA games here, that soccer would probably be the most most popular spectator sport as well (I have not seen any data that would confirm this, however).

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 01/12/2012 22:05:42    1305336

Bennybunny

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2012/1023/1224325578421.html

200000 people per year go to soccer matches in the UK which is less than the number of people who went to all ireland finals this year.So I doubt that makes up the difference between soccer and gaa attendance.Most supposed soccer fans in this country "support" their team from their sofa which in my opinion doesnt count as supporting a team.

offaly317216 (Offaly) - Posts: 12 - 02/12/2012 15:21:39    1305401

Offaly

I agree with you. You are throwing the statistics that I used back at me. I have stated that it is very difficult to accurately compare GAA support with soccer 'support' as you said most of the soccer 'supporters' are 'supporting' from their sofa. The point we are arguing here is what should the media be writing about? What does the median supporter prefer to read about? Is it GAA or soccer (note the question asks what does not ask what you prefer to read about)? The reality is it varies but at this time of year, I would suggest that the premiership is more popular than what GAA has to offer hence the media will cover this.

I will state it again, it is very hard to judge in terms of who attends games to see which is more popular given that the 'supporters' of English soccer clubs in Ireland have to travel further than GAA fans (on average factoring waiting times at airports, travel on the other side etc). Anecdotally, most of the people who I work with are English soccer 'supporters' many of whom have never been to a game but likewise would not be bothered with GAA either. As I said that is anecdotal.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 02/12/2012 16:08:11    1305429

The Donegal lovein with soccer continues, they are getting worse than the Dubs ffs! lol

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 02/12/2012 16:33:11    1305440

TheGateKeeper
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1305440 The Donegal lovein with soccer continues, they are getting worse than the Dubs ffs! lol

Its ok youve still got Cross to eulogise about, the good staunch born and bred Armagh man that you are.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 02/12/2012 19:43:33    1305539

bennybunny
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1305336
but Hill16 according to the sportscouncil of Ireland, soccer is actually the largest team sport in the country (with 9% of the adult population taking part) with Gaelic football and hurling combined (2 different sports) being played by 7% of the adult population. That is in terms of participation. In terms of attending, yes the GAA is the biggest but it is difficult to make comparisons with soccer here given the large cohort of people that choose to go abroad to watch soccer games. However, I would speculate that factoring in the relevant costs of attending games in the UK as opposed to attending GAA games here, that soccer would probably be the most most popular spectator sport as well (I have not seen any data that would confirm this, however).

but benny that soccer thats being played in england is not irish sport so you cannot count that when accesing irish sport.
that 9 % figure is very dodgy when you take into account alot of that figure are pub teams playing at very low levels just for fun or 5 a side night owls leagues after work hey all but count kids playing after school in those assesments.im not saying gaa is bigger than soccer in other countrys or that gaa is bigger then any other sports worldwide im saying its the biggest sport in ireland.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/12/2012 20:45:00    1305566

AthClaith getting your two pennies worth before match of the day comes on I see!

I'm a tough born and bred Tyrone man actually athclaith. I shout for Crossmaglen
because I understand and empathize with the hardship they overcame to become
the great team that they are! Respect where respect is due!

A soccer supporter might not understand that though!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 02/12/2012 20:46:54    1305567

bennybunny you abuy an irish newspaper to read irish politics,irish crime and you buy an irish newspaper to read irish sport if i wanted to read english sport i would buy an english newspaper and cut out the middle man thats the point im making.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 02/12/2012 20:48:34    1305568

TheGateKeeper
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1305567 AthClaith getting your two pennies worth before match of the day comes on I see!

I'm a tough born and bred Tyrone man actually athclaith. I shout for Crossmaglen
because I understand and empathize with the hardship they overcame to become
the great team that they are! Respect where respect is due!

A soccer supporter might not understand that though!

Ill have to take your word on that,
Though run with the hare and chase with hound springs to mind.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 02/12/2012 21:53:22    1305599

The fact that people would be in such awe of a manager of a British soccer club is sad in my opinion. Our games are better and the players of our games warrant more respect. I'd put more value on a letter like that signed by Karl Lacey than one signed be wenger.

Another thread highlighting our inferiority complex with things not Irish.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/12/2012 08:23:28    1305603

The inferiority complex is on your side Hill16 as it seems to upset you that people follow the premiership. About 170,000 Irish people travel over every season. Would the attendance of every single game combined in the ound robin series of the national hurling league have a bigger attendance figures? (not by much I would say). Obviously the championship has more people attending. The fact is Irish people love premiership soccer. Whether they prefer it more than the GAA is hard to judge as it is difficult to accurately compare the two. Either way it is as much a part of Irish life and Irish sport as anything else.

That is typical of Irish people. This is what I am talking about ffgg.

Ps The premiership is as much part of Irish sport and Irish life as Katie Taylor is British. We Irish hate when the the Brits stake claim to our sports stars yet some of us Irish people here are staking claim to a full empire/league. Unbelievable.

By the british soccer has become part of life in Ireland not a part of Irish life as you call it. Big difference mate!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/12/2012 08:28:54    1305604

ffgg
County: Longford
Posts: 1914

1304927 its a letter lacey obviously felt bothered up..why is there a need to take shots at the man for it..just leave it be

No one is taking shots at Lacey.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/12/2012 08:31:05    1305605

bad.monkey
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1305181 The papers dont have a 'duty' to report to report anything, they have an obligation to work towards making their shareholders wealthy. They will write what sells, people clearly want to read about rugby and premiership soccer for 9 months of the year and GAA during the summer, it's why they do it

Well, isn't a sad reflection of Irish society that Irish papers have to report and promote things British to make a few quid off Irish people. Where did it all go wrong? Does anyone know?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/12/2012 08:37:56    1305606

TheGateKeeper
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1305567 AthClaith getting your two pennies worth before match of the day comes on I see!

Just out of cuiosity, how do you know what time match of the day is on?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 03/12/2012 08:45:00    1305607