Lads and ladies is this still a rule in the GAA?

If implemented properly it would eliminate the blanket defense to an extent as only 2 players can tackle at any one time.

In my day it was an automatic free in if a third man put in a tackle

Any thoughts?

RedCarrot (Laois) - Posts: 91 - 24/09/2012 19:19:28    1272050

there is no such rule about how many men can tackle the one player, the third man tackle is when a player takes another player out of the game when the other player has just played the ball or is making a run to recieve the ball.

Hills (Donegal) - Posts: 70 - 25/09/2012 10:27:28    1272261

And the fist pass rule, cause all I could see Sunday was throw ball passes.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 25/09/2012 10:58:03    1272281

The hand-pass has in most cases morphed into a Rugby type two handed pass and refs just go along with it. Of apprx 100 such passes on Sunday only one was called.

The Third Man: Very effective where one player goes to meet the ball played in while the colleague "holds" the forward. This was used to great effect on Sunday and again never penalised.

Cannot understand how people think Deegan did well in view of these 2 things apart from the wrong call which gave Donegal the break for their second goal. And of course the 2 players for striking (one from each side). The guy who caught and pulled the opponents ear was another example of a nasty one I feel deserved red.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 25/09/2012 11:22:01    1272304

'Third man tackle' is when a team-mate of the player in possession takes out an opposing player to prevent a tackle, nothing at all to do with the number of players tackling the player in possession. Amazing how many people don't understand this.
Very simply, and for the hundreth time, there is no foul in crowding a ball carrier, the foul occurs by holding, pulling down, punching etc. A more important area to clean up is when the player in possession goes to ground with 2-3 players around him. More often than not he lies on the ball or overholds which is a free against him- NOT a hop ball as is usually given.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1263 - 25/09/2012 11:24:21    1272311

While I thoroughly enjoyed the game on Sunday, I too thought Deegan had a poor game.

The rules are either to be obeyed or not and the amount of stuff that was let go on both sides was incredible.

Dodgy hand passes, slowing down of free kicks, handbags, diving, blocking runners & mouthing were but a few of the things that I think could be sorted easily enough.

If the powers that be decree that the rules are only to be a guideline then come out and say so, but something needs to change because some of the above took away somewhat from the game as a spectacle.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 25/09/2012 11:53:12    1272339

The way players are trained now in every aspect of gaining advantage, from once they are fouled run quickly with ball in hand towards opposing player as if they are obstructed, ref then moves free forward ,also to taking out player who gives the pass ,so he is gone from attack. defenders holding attackers when ball is down the other end of the pitch.
ref job is nearly impossible to do properly and its getting harder. the cynicisim now is employed by every county .who'd be a referee at intercounty.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 25/09/2012 11:55:57    1272341

The way players are trained now in every aspect of gaining advantage, from once they are fouled run quickly with ball in hand towards opposing player as if they are obstructed, ref then moves free forward ,
AthCliath , 25/09/2012 at 11:55

O' Shea had this off to a tee on Sunday. I was getting frustrated with the ref for not noticing it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 25/09/2012 12:16:30    1272360

Time to wire Umpires & Linesmen with the Ref and give then the authority to tell him whats going on and ref give the frees, not just as now a hand or flag raised and consult during the next stoppage in play. The off the ball foul has been effective by then.

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 25/09/2012 12:19:16    1272366

Time to wire Umpires & Linesmen with the Ref and give then the authority to tell him whats going on and ref give the frees, not just as now a hand or flag raised and consult during the next stoppage in play. The off the ball foul has been effective by then.

This has already been done. There is one umpire at either end of the ground, both linesmen and the fourth official (or whatever he is called in GAA terms) all wired up in the championship.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 25/09/2012 12:30:34    1272372

Culann
County: Dublin
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1272360 The way players are trained now in every aspect of gaining advantage, from once they are fouled run quickly with ball in hand towards opposing player as if they are obstructed, ref then moves free forward ,
AthCliath , 25/09/2012 at 11:55

O' Shea had this off to a tee on Sunday. I was getting frustrated with the ref for not noticing it.

Player who gave away the free generally runs back towards his own goal. Move to the side or towards opposition goal and they won't be in the way. Referees should bring the ball forward far more often.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 25/09/2012 15:40:21    1272531

I'm so surprised people on here dont know the rules, the third man tackle is been taken by some as an "off the ball tackle"

This is not the case,
Only two players are allowed to tackle the forward, when the third arrives and puts in a tackle it's an automatic free in .

This is such a simple solution to get rid of "puke football " as such

I often wonder if Liam o neill and co would read these forums.some great points made by some knowledgable lads !

And for people who are slating deegan, personally I taught he done a fine job on the game

RedCarrot (Laois) - Posts: 91 - 25/09/2012 19:56:15    1272786

RedCarrot
County: Laois

I'm so surprised people on here dont know the rules, the third man tackle is been taken by some as an "off the ball tackle"
This is not the case,
Only two players are allowed to tackle the forward, when the third arrives and puts in a tackle it's an automatic free in .


RedCarrott, there is no such rule. I don't know why this debate arises every year but the GAA rules as set out in the Official Guide make no reference to how many defenders may tackle. You can find the rule book at link Technical fouls are defined in rule 4 and aggressive fouls in rule 5.

kickpass (Down) - Posts: 208 - 25/09/2012 21:51:22    1272894

"Player who gave away the free generally runs back towards his own goal. Move to the side or towards opposition goal and they won't be in the way. "

Are you serious? The defender is always going to run back towards his own goal and as long as he's moving away at a reasonable pace then the free should not be moved forward. I think if the opponent is making a honest attempt to get out of the way and free is deliberately kicked at him or the free taker deliberately runs into the opponent then it should be a hop ball.

As for this theory that these tactics are a new thing, when I played in the 70s and 80s we were always told to stop the runner. It doesn't make it right but teams have been doing these things for years.

spyboy (Antrim) - Posts: 343 - 26/09/2012 09:17:36    1272921

Spyboy The onus is on the person who gave away the free to get back the required distance, not on the player taking the free.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 26/09/2012 13:27:34    1273136

RedCarrot
County: Laois
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1272786 I'm so surprised people on here dont know the rules, the third man tackle is been taken by some as an "off the ball tackle"

This is not the case,
Only two players are allowed to tackle the forward, when the third arrives and puts in a tackle it's an automatic free in .

This is such a simple solution to get rid of "puke football " as such

Apart from being just plain wrong in your interpetation of the rules, such an initiative would make little difference as the number of times three players sorround one could be counted on the fingers of one hand in most games.

As for "puke football" I thought this old chestnutt had been laid to rest. I saw no puke football at all this year from any of the top teams apart from some of the feigning & blocking of frees. The only footall I don't like watching is from unskilled, unfit & poorly coached teams. Now that really is puke football.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 26/09/2012 13:47:29    1273159

Only two players are allowed to tackle the forward, when the third arrives and puts in a tackle it's an automatic free in .

I often wonder if Liam o neill and co would read these forums.some great points made by some knowledgable lads !


RedCarrot. Unfortunately you are not one of these so callled "knowledgable lads" though you seem to be saying that you are.

Read the actual rules instead of quoting imaginary ones.

fattimmy (Limerick) - Posts: 392 - 26/09/2012 13:52:35    1273162

Id agree with you there spyboy. However, It isnt as clear-cut these days, as you have fellas in 2s and 3s with their backs turned pretending to be retreating but purposely trying to stop anything quick being taken. So the ball is moved forward, but by the time this happens the other team has gotten back into position and the ball going forward doesnt help at all. Effectively the punishment doesnt help enough and teams gladly take it instead. Donegal done it to mayo every time they won a kickout, and the reason was because donegal were committing players to win possession and so if they didnt win it there would be gaps in behind. Effectively they were saying we will take the 15 yards because out here it wont help them and the delay will allow us get back into position. So in this instance I wouldnt blame a guy trying to move it up a bit because the cynical bit actually came with the fellas slowing up the free. The thing is this is a consequence of multiple fellas tackling the same man. When he gets fouled they are all in front of him, but in truth that isnt his problem, if he wants to take a quick free he should be entitled to. If guys take the chance to tackle in a group then it is the risk they take if they foul the guy. Maybe they should get 4 seconds to get out of the way, if they havent retreated the 10-15 yards or stood out of the way then they are culpable, if they have and the free hits them then play on. That would stop all this pushing and shoving also. 4 seconds from when the ref blows his whistle, and if the defender is holding on on the ground to stop the ball being released then bring it up 30 yards.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 26/09/2012 14:15:07    1273186

Totally agree icehonesty, however I would say in a majority of the incidents where the free taker runs into his opponent it's because he's had a quick look, there's nothing on, so he runs into the opponent, gets the free moved forward and then has a look around. Or simply doesn't have the vision to look for the quick free and his first instinct is to get the free moved forward. If you cannot kick the ball passed a guy 2 yards in front of you then you have bigger problems. If the defender makes an attempt to block the ball ie. sticks out an arm/leg then that's a deliberate attempt to stop the quick free and it should be moved forward.

spyboy (Antrim) - Posts: 343 - 26/09/2012 14:15:57    1273187

One thing that bugged me was when moving a free forward M Deegan insisted on he taking the ball, bringing it forward and placing it on the ground but standing behind it as he did so thus preventing the player taking it until Deegan was good & ready.

Other Refs go to the forward stop and allow the player bring it forward and they can kick immediatly they reach the spot.

Which is in accordance with Rules ???

KELF (Kildare) - Posts: 775 - 26/09/2012 17:18:14    1273348