If Hurling is this great game we are led to believe, why was they such a bad crowd at both semi finals in the Hurling. Any Hurling people I know do look down on football and go on about it having way more skill then football. Fact is only a few counties play Hurling so what are we comparing their skill to, as opposed to football where the whole country plays. You look at All Stars for hurling and see the same names year after year getting them, Sure Joe Canning got 1 a few yrs back and he played poor for the entire year. They are trying to fill places on the All star teams. Compare this to football and some of the top players in the country havent received all stars yet. Sure them hurling fans let a roar out at every touch of the ball, The ball gets belted out straight down the middle of the pitch and the fans roar like they scored a goal, If you did this in football you would be giving out to for handing the ball back to the opposition.

In Football only the best of the best win an All Ireland.
In Hurling only the best of a bad lot win the All Ireland.

When Hurling can fill out stadiums like Football it will be Ireland's number one sport. Myths about hurling being better are exactly that, MYTHS

ballaghmen (Mayo) - Posts: 318 - 20/08/2012 14:59:43    1248560

And would u put those points down to skill slayer?? cos i wouldnt....atall!

Whats your club out of curiosity? Wonder did I ever mark you!!!

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8170 - 20/08/2012 15:01:30    1248563

yes is the answer.

premiumdub (Dublin) - Posts: 22 - 20/08/2012 15:03:39    1248565

there is some snobbery towards football allright but as a Gaa fan who watches both(like most people i believe)hurling is by far the more entertaining of the two.

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 20/08/2012 15:07:02    1248570

And would u put those points down to skill slayer?? cos i wouldnt....atall!

I think the speed of score taking in hurling is a super skill. The point Aidan Fogarty scored yesterday where he caught it over his markers head, fell to the ground, turned his man & put it over, huge score. In football when a player catches a high ball they are met by 2-3 players once they fall.

Whats your club out of curiosity? Wonder did I ever mark you!!!

I'm older & from the other side of the country (wrong side of the tracks). So I don't think I ever marked you. Put it this way, if you haven't scored 0-15 from play in a game, then you haven't marked me .......

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6603 - 20/08/2012 15:11:24    1248575

In my experience in a large duel club, its always football first, then hurling, then ladies football and then camogie in that order. I have seen duel code clubs concede hurling games to save duel players for the "big match" probably a relegation decider two standards below the hurling team. Look if hurling is the more dominate sport in any county/club you'd hear the reverse.

Probably would be better for hurling if they split from Football completely.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4958 - 20/08/2012 15:17:01    1248582

arock, certainly not at Boden its not!
I play(ed) for a "football club" in West Limerick that actually took hurling more seriously!!!! NCW!

Slayer, ure not that much older than me are you?? Played football for NCW from 98 till 3 years ago

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8170 - 20/08/2012 15:34:23    1248593

Agree with your comments on clubs treating hurling a second thought here. There's far more anti-hurling within Dub GAA than vice versa.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 20/08/2012 15:37:39    1248597

Slayer. its much easier to get a "quick score" in hurling than it is in football. Football by is very nature is slower due to the size of the football and the lack of a stick!! I would agree on this point, that its a lot lot easier to be a half decent defender in football than it is in hurling but conversely I would argue its a lot lot lot easier for a nippy corner forward to score goals in hurling than it is in football, a LOT easier.
And for a good defender in hurling if he wins a high ball, all he has to do is whip it as far down the field as he can to whooping and hollering from the masses.......in football when a wing back wins a ball he is excpected to go on a run and make hay with it. if he just thumpt it back up the field he is scorned
Far harder that than winning a high ball often unchallenged and lacing it 60 yards in one go at no one in particular!!

The size of the sliothar, the power of the hurl and the fact that you can bypass 80 yards in one movement seems to some people to make hurling the more attractive game, to me its speaks volumes for its limitations. As opposed to football where you as a team have to work the ball up to the opposition half to create a score.

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8170 - 20/08/2012 15:49:07    1248608

I'm a football man from North Kerry who loves watching hurling too. My experience is there is more 'football people' that would be anti-hurling than the other way round. Maybe has to do with which is the most popular sport in any given county and more importantly which sport the county boards are inclined to give more support!

DanBreen (Kerry) - Posts: 73 - 20/08/2012 15:56:42    1248614

Hurling is the 21st Century version of Betamax.

People can talk all they like about the superior quality, but the reality is that it is dead on its feet.

Thomas Clarke (Tyrone) - Posts: 1002 - 20/08/2012 16:41:03    1248657

Or maybe its just the hurling commentators just don't moan as much, or focus 100% on the negative!!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 20/08/2012 16:46:55    1248670

Culann, you clearly know nothing about making an argument. Zilch!

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 20/08/2012 16:50:49    1248672

Some of the stuff a hurling player, official has to contend with in a football county is on a par with the palestinians and the israelis or the apartheid in South Africa 20 years ago. Look at Tipp a Hurling county facilitating an all ireland winning football team last year and possibly another this year. I myself being in Kildare have witnessed the way hurling is treated so all your counter arguments stating otherwise are utter wrong!!!

fonejacker (Kildare) - Posts: 315 - 20/08/2012 17:02:29    1248687

The other way around surely...vast majority of county boards and clubs are totally football orientated and dont give a damn about hurling...
Big difference in the televised promotion of the games...the hurling analysts are totally positive and actually seem to enjoy the game and love watching it...their enthusiasm is infectious
The main football analysts, meanwhile, seem to think its a chore to sit through a game, while being paid, and persuade the viewers that its not worth their license fee...you'd wonder do they enjoy anything about the game...

sheldor (Longford) - Posts: 6 - 20/08/2012 17:02:35    1248688

There are a lot of good hurling people about who have the greater good of the game at heart all over the island BUT equally there are as many elitist snobs who only care about the 'traditional' counties and believe the game solely belongs to them. Sambo McNaughton's book is a good read and refers to this on a few occasions. When Antrim beat Offaly in the 1989 semi final the Offaly players and fans clapped Antrim off the pitch and there has been a great respect and fondness for Offaly in Antrim from that game. However before and after the final MANY Tipperary hurling people were rude, ignorant and totally dismissive of Antrim and our fans. Sambo is still angry at the way some Tipp players completely blanked the Antrim fellas after the game and their behaviour. I also remember a Tipp fan getting flung out of bar in Dublin city centre and ending up his a*se on the street after he offended one too many Antrim fans. There is undoutedly hurling snobbery and Tipp and Cork are some of the worst offenders.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 20/08/2012 17:22:29    1248707

Liam it was Boden by the way. I'm not from Boden so I wouldn't know the internal setup, but it surely can't be too different to Crokes, Na Fianna et all where football is still top dog, its changing but not fast enough.

Also more boys/girls play football with a ratio of near 2 to 1 - simply because hurling is more skillful.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4958 - 20/08/2012 17:32:41    1248724

Sort of agree with Ulsterman there.
There is undoubtedly an element of snobbery within the likes of Tipp but that is towards other counties and on the subject of hurling. But i find too that the successful counties in football also display this snobbery too .
Also is this thread not on hurling folk being anti-football ?

Finsceal (None) - Posts: 559 - 20/08/2012 17:35:25    1248729

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
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There are a lot of good hurling people about who have the greater good of the game at heart all over the island BUT equally there are as many elitist snobs who only care about the 'traditional' counties and believe the game solely belongs to them. Sambo McNaughton's book is a good read and refers to this on a few occasions. When Antrim beat Offaly in the 1989 semi final the Offaly players and fans clapped Antrim off the pitch and there has been a great respect and fondness for Offaly in Antrim from that game. However before and after the final MANY Tipperary hurling people were rude, ignorant and totally dismissive of Antrim and our fans. Sambo is still angry at the way some Tipp players completely blanked the Antrim fellas after the game and their behaviour. I also remember a Tipp fan getting flung out of bar in Dublin city centre and ending up his a*se on the street after he offended one too many Antrim fans. There is undoutedly hurling snobbery and Tipp and Cork are some of the worst offenders.

You've outlined exactly what some Tipp people did to offent Antrim (and I've heard of it before now and that other Tipperary people weren't confortable with it); now be so good as to explain exactly how Cork have offended ye. Or is it just an bulit-in dislike of Cork that prompts your remark?

Midleton (Cork) - Posts: 646 - 20/08/2012 17:39:35    1248736

Anti football/hurling snobbery! I think the discussion covers both.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 20/08/2012 17:39:35    1248737