Culann - you shouldn't be too surprised. The same 2 or 3 individuals who appear to have an unhealthy fascination with you on this thread will no doubt be happy. Well done lads and don't stop there. Just in case it offends their delicate sensibilities, perhaps it's now time the GAA dropped the 'Gaelic' bit from its name. It's surely too fundamentalist/exclusive, etc to have an organization going around with that name.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 913 - 22/08/2012 14:13:53    1249886

Some people have become more English than the English themselves.

anpleota (Wicklow) - Posts: 204 - 22/08/2012 14:31:30    1249902

There was never a Gael born and raised in Dublin and never will be. A few plastic ones knocking about though. I'm surprised so many Irish people misunderstand what a Gael actually is. You cant become Jewish and you cant become a Gael, simple as.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 22/08/2012 14:34:06    1249905

So are you a Gael raised in Africa?

anpleota (Wicklow) - Posts: 204 - 22/08/2012 14:49:54    1249922

anpleota
County: Wicklow
Posts: 55

1249922
So are you a Gael raised in Africa?

No.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 22/08/2012 15:07:28    1249938

Ailteoir
County: Galway
Posts: 256

1249886 Culann - you shouldn't be too surprised. The same 2 or 3 individuals who appear to have an unhealthy fascination with you on this thread will no doubt be happy. Well done lads and don't stop there. Just in case it offends their delicate sensibilities, perhaps it's now time the GAA dropped the 'Gaelic' bit from its name. It's surely too fundamentalist/exclusive, etc to have an organization going around with that name.

I honestly don't think this would happen in any other country in the world. Its very sad.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 22/08/2012 15:53:47    1249975

County: Dublin
Posts: 638

1249975 Ailteoir
County: Galway
Posts: 256

1249886 Culann - you shouldn't be too surprised. The same 2 or 3 individuals who appear to have an unhealthy fascination with you on this thread will no doubt be happy. Well done lads and don't stop there. Just in case it offends their delicate sensibilities, perhaps it's now time the GAA dropped the 'Gaelic' bit from its name. It's surely too fundamentalist/exclusive, etc to have an organization going around with that name.

I honestly don't think this would happen in any other country in the world. Its very sad.

Indeed. if you can figure out why, you'll be getting to the kernal of the problem

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/08/2012 16:24:46    1250003

I have to say I really dont buy all this. As pplocal pointed out a while back, every poster who is posting in irish has also posted in english and done it just as easily. These lads that dont speak much english dont exist on the site. Is there any posters who have appeared on the irish threads only? Of course not. This is just an excuse as far as I can see, and the more common use of the irish language on this site up to now was displayed when culann started talking snidely about bosco in irish, after arguing with him in english. Also, this thing about true gaels is nonsense. There is no requirement for an irish person to speak irish. I have nothing against our language, it is part of our history. What I do have an issue with is people using it as a tool to try to promote themselves. Fair enough it is our old language, but what culann is doing is effectively like 2 people in a group to start talking in a different language in the middle of a conversation, which in all honesty is quite an annoying thing to do, regardless of the language. It gives the impression that your goal is actually to exclude people as opposed to promote irish. This is backed up by your actions towards bosco. Now you can bang on about promoting irish all you like, but your actions tell a very different story.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 22/08/2012 16:49:06    1250025

AfricanGael
County: UK
Posts: 290

1249905 There was never a Gael born and raised in Dublin and never will be. A few plastic ones knocking about though. I'm surprised so many Irish people misunderstand what a Gael actually is. You cant become Jewish and you cant become a Gael, simple as.

most of your posts are anti irish, me thinks ye feel hard done by.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 22/08/2012 17:15:29    1250043

"I have nothing against our language, it is part of our history."

The fact that you have consigned our language to history speaks volumes. You may be shocked to hear that in 2012 there are many who speak it as part of their daily lives. There are even some who enjoy speaking both languages on a daily basis.

Other than our closest neighbours I can think of no other European country that is completely mono-lingual. Visit any border region of any continental country and the occupants will speak their own, plus their neighbours language with near fluency. Not to mention regional dialect variation (Try sitting a Sicilian down with a Tyrolian and watch the fun ensue) and languages spoken by ethnic groupbs within those coutnries. Yet here we are on a GAA website and bizarely enough we have Irish people telling us that we can speak English so why bother with Irish.

As for Africangael, he's neither; and frankly other than causing mischief I'm not sure why he bothers visiting these boards at all.

festinog (Galway) - Posts: 3150 - 22/08/2012 17:35:23    1250059

AthCliath
County: Dublin
Posts: 885

1250043
AfricanGael
County: UK
Posts: 290

1249905 There was never a Gael born and raised in Dublin and never will be. A few plastic ones knocking about though. I'm surprised so many Irish people misunderstand what a Gael actually is. You cant become Jewish and you cant become a Gael, simple as.

most of your posts are anti irish, me thinks ye feel hard done by.

Ah stop trying to play the self pity anti irish card AthCliath, you have milked that old cow for years and frankly people couldn't give a toss. Your definition of anti Irish is if someone disagrees with you. Child like.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 22/08/2012 17:43:36    1250067

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 4580

1250025 I have to say I really dont buy all this. As pplocal pointed out a while back, every poster who is posting in irish has also posted in english and done it just as easily. These lads that dont speak much english dont exist on the site. Is there any posters who have appeared on the irish threads only? Of course not.

So by this sort of reasoning are you suggesting that everybody should stop speaking Irish becuase they can also speak English and because English is the majority language?

This is just an excuse as far as I can see, and the more common use of the irish language on this site up to now was displayed when culann started talking snidely about bosco in irish, after arguing with him in english.

This is very inaccurate. I didn't say anything to Bosco that I didn't also say to him in English. Don't pick and choose certain things and leave other things out. Also, i would like to point out that Bosco understood everything. That was evident from the thread I started on Imreoir na Bliana where it appeared Bosco was using google translate. Bosco followed me around for weeks on this site. I choose to ignore him personally but to address the things he said about me.

Also, this thing about true gaels is nonsense. There is no requirement for an irish person to speak irish. I have nothing against our language, it is part of our history. What I do have an issue with is people using it as a tool to try to promote themselves. Fair enough it is our old language, but what culann is doing is effectively like 2 people in a group to start talking in a different language in the middle of a conversation, which in all honesty is quite an annoying thing to do, regardless of the language. It gives the impression that your goal is actually to exclude people as opposed to promote irish.

AS few more inaccuracies here. I never once said there was a requirement for an rish person to speak Irish. You won't find me saying anything like that on this site. What stuff about true gaels in nonsense? I am not sure what you are getting at here. My point about Gaels refers to those who are against the language of the gael and yet think they are gaels and I won't apologise for that. The important words are underlined there for learners. When have I tried to promote myself by speaking as Gaeilge on this site. For God's sake Culann is not my real name. No one knows who I am. What have I to gain? Read my original post and you will see what my aims are here regarding Irish language posts. It is to give people a chance to converse as Gaeilge. Thats all. If the people on the site don't want me to that they will stop me from doing that as they have already done up to a point. If there were to be an Irish language section on this site in would be infact more inclusive.

This is backed up by your actions towards bosco. Now you can bang on about promoting irish all you like, but your actions tell a very different story.

I have never said one word about promoting Irish onthis site other than explaining to Bosco that I wasn't trying to promote Irish but that I was trying to explore opportunities where like minded Irish speakers could discuss different topics reagarding GAA matters as Gaeilge. You like Bosco, seem to come to your own conclusions about me without basing them on what I am saying. That is your problem.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 22/08/2012 17:44:00    1250068

Some people are so insecure about being Irish that they need to parade around shoving what is effectively a dead language down people's throats, now don't get me wrong I'm in favour of maintaining things that are a little antiquated if they still have a practical use. What possible use does the Irish language have? I don't need it to 'feel' Irish or to prove I'm Irish (I have a passport for that in any case) so what's the deal?? I just don't get it.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 22/08/2012 17:47:47    1250072

We've had a whole establishment, and their gombeens, telling us for generations that if we don't speak it we are not really Irish and procliuded from certain public jobs.

Put irish on an equal footing without compulsion, root out the vested interests and hopefully it's not too late to take it off the life suport machine that it's been on since independance.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/08/2012 17:48:59    1250073

Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 639

"I would like to also state that I find Hogan Stands moderators and administratots very supportive and reasonable regarding the threads I have started here as Gaeilge."

"I have to admit I didn't expect this sort of bad reaction to Gaeilge on this site but I understand that democracy is democracy and obviously the reaction must have been huge to merit not permitting too many threads as Gaeilge."

Change of tack? from brown nosing to victimhood. Elaborate on the NOT PERMITTING TOO MANY THREADS IN IRISH BIT, it's intriguing

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/08/2012 17:55:28    1250079

Imagine what Ireland would be like without its British influence............scary. Some people are just thankless.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 22/08/2012 18:05:03    1250087

Yet here we are on a GAA website and bizarely enough we have Irish people telling us that we can speak English so why bother with Irish.

Indeed festinog, it must rank as the worst Irish joke of them all.

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 913 - 22/08/2012 18:21:59    1250096

dhorse
County: Laois
Posts: 11030

1250079 Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 639

"I would like to also state that I find Hogan Stands moderators and administratots very supportive and reasonable regarding the threads I have started here as Gaeilge."

"I have to admit I didn't expect this sort of bad reaction to Gaeilge on this site but I understand that democracy is democracy and obviously the reaction must have been huge to merit not permitting too many threads as Gaeilge."

Change of tack? from brown nosing to victimhood. Elaborate on the NOT PERMITTING TOO MANY THREADS IN IRISH BIT, it's intriguing

Yes. Disappointment and frustration. I was told that there were too amny Irish language threads and that people were complaining and that I would have to keep them to a limit (or words to that effect, i cannot remember the exact wording). I accept the outcome but feel that the moderators have given in to the small minority. As far as i understand it I can continue to start Irish language threads as long as i don't do too many of them. Only in Ireland!!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 22/08/2012 18:54:43    1250127

festinog,
I 100% agree with you and i went to a non english speaking country to live in when just out of my teens and was ashamed not to be able to speak my own language(a few basic words only) and to see that people could speak english as good as me and possibly 4 or 5 other languages as well, i swore i would learn my own language and theirs and i did although as you can probably see i cant really write in Gaelige but i have no problem conversing, i now can converse in around 8 languages and have a knowledge of many others, being back in Ireland it is embarassing the attitude to Irish and i have met lots of eastern europeans who actually think the Irish are brain dead, although i would not agree with it i find it interesting that see that in some eastern countries people born and reared there can not obtain a passport unless they can speak their native tongue fluently(latvia etc).My statement earlier that some people here are more English than the English themselves is proven.

anpleota (Wicklow) - Posts: 204 - 22/08/2012 19:09:12    1250142

Yes. Disappointment and frustration. I was told that there were too amny Irish language threads and that people were complaining and that I would have to keep them to a limit (or words to that effect, i cannot remember the exact wording). I accept the outcome but feel that the moderators have given in to the small minority. As far as i understand it I can continue to start Irish language threads as long as i don't do too many of them. Only in Ireland!!


What is the small minority you refer to, based on what.

if there was a commercial basis for it it would be catered for. if you could organise a grant/allowance or subsidy it will happen, that's all that keeps Irish alive at the moment

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 22/08/2012 19:12:40    1250144