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dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 14/07/2012 18:21:46    1217284

Focal ar bith ón údaráis fós, is trua é

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 14/07/2012 18:37:06    1217299

Níl fós faraor!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 14/07/2012 18:39:55    1217300

Culann,
I'm highlighting my own disinterest in Irish to convey to you that I'm not bashing the Irish language in these posts, I've no strong feeling one way or another. You clearly are showing a huge passion for the resurrection of the language by persisting with your posts across a number of topics here with contributions in Irish. Am I not entitled to my view also?
Where I have an issue is with your arrogance actually, you now feel entitled to speak on behalf of Lynn publications now also? Perhaps Hoganstand isn't the site for me? I think you're a bit of a know all to be honest who probably finds it a bit difficult to admit when you've misjudged a situation. The Irish thing will never take off in here and your insistence on a ubiquitous Irish presence across all threads will turn people off even more. No need to be rude now when you reply like you were last time, good manners should be a prerequisite regardless of the language used don't you think?

Bosco (Carlow) - Posts: 664 - 15/07/2012 18:44:23    1218033

Bosco
County: Carlow
Posts: 375

1218033 Culann,
I'm highlighting my own disinterest in Irish to convey to you that I'm not bashing the Irish language in these posts, I've no strong feeling one way or another. You clearly are showing a huge passion for the resurrection of the language by persisting with your posts across a number of topics here with contributions in Irish. Am I not entitled to my view also?

Listen Bosco (if thats your real name), this has absolutely nothing to do with the 'ressurection of the language'. If you read my original post on this thread you will see what it is about. I am just proposing the a seperate section for discussion on all things GAA as Gaeilge for those who wish to do so. Nothing to do with promoting anything and its ignorant of you to assume it is to promote or ressurect anything. I am proposing a seperate section for Irish language posters so as not to antagonise or insult those Irish people who are hostile to posts as Gaeilge on the main forum. Would a seperate section not be fair for those are upset by the sight of Gaeilge on this site?

Regarding the Gaeilge posts on English language threads this has happened because the same threads were being discussed as Gaeilge and the people in Hogan Stand who run the form amalgamated the threads. Its their website. Should they not be entitled to do what they choose with their own site?

Where I have an issue is with your arrogance actually, you now feel entitled to speak on behalf of Lynn publications now also?

Are you not guilty of exactly this when you tell me I shouldn't be posting as Gaeilge?

Perhaps Hoganstand isn't the site for me? I think you're a bit of a know all to be honest who probably finds it a bit difficult to admit when you've misjudged a situation. The Irish thing will never take off in here and your insistence on a ubiquitous Irish presence across all threads will turn people off even more. No need to be rude now when you reply like you were last time, good manners should be a prerequisite regardless of the language used don't you think?

To be honest I wouldn't really have much to say about this part apart from that I think its not good manners people telling me what language I can or can't post in on this website. I have asked a few questions above. It will be interesting to see if you address any of them!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 15/07/2012 19:00:08    1218060

Culann,
of course I'll address the questions you pose, why would I not?
You say your posts have nothing to do with resurrecting the language? Of course that's what this is? Currently Irish is not in use to all intents and purposes and you are encouraging posters to engage more and more in Irish are you not? Calling for Irish sections etc are you not? We can talk semantics all evening here but I think that comes under the heading of resurrection.
Lynn publications obviously can't be bothered with your idea which is why they choose to amalgamate your posts in the regular sections, fair enough, it's their website, agreed.
What I take issue with is your perseverance with these posts when you know full well the rank and file don't comprehend it and it is my contention that you are simply distancing the language from your average joe by doing this to sate your own need for recognition. Maybe mark your posts as for the attention of the other handful of posters who seem to care also maybe?
Lastly, I find your habit of literally picking your way through other contributors posts with an almost lawyerly air of condescension a little objectionable to be honest. People know what they wrote and for you to respond as you do gives the impression you are trying to pick them apart I think?
Are you from the legal professions?
Bosco is a pseudonym also.

Bosco (Carlow) - Posts: 664 - 15/07/2012 19:22:53    1218090

Bosco
County: Carlow
Posts: 377

1218090 Culann,
of course I'll address the questions you pose, why would I not?

I remember I asked you a question once on another topic which you never answered. Thats why!

You say your posts have nothing to do with resurrecting the language? Of course that's what this is? Currently Irish is not in use to all intents and purposes and you are encouraging posters to engage more and more in Irish are you not? Calling for Irish sections etc are you not? We can talk semantics all evening here but I think that comes under the heading of resurrection.

Just a few points. Resurrection means taking something back from the dead. Gaeilge is clearly not dead so you may scrap your heading for starters. I am calling for a section for people who already speak Irish. Its not to promote the language its just to give people the choice to express themselves in their own language of choice. If I was to call for a German, Polish or French section would you say I was trying to promote those languages? When I post in English on this site it is not to promote the English languages. Do you get it? If the Irish section encouagres people to engage in Gaeilge well then thats great and i'd be well happy at that but that is not why I am calling for the Irish language section.

Lynn publications obviously can't be bothered with your idea which is why they choose to amalgamate your posts in the regular sections, fair enough, it's their website, agreed.

Well then if you have issues with people posting as Gaeilge then bring it up with Lynn publication don't be critizising or attacking people if they choose to do so. Three or four of you keep going off subject and attack everytime you see a few posts as Gaeilge. Don't attack the posters take it up with the administrators.

What I take issue with is your perseverance with these posts when you know full well the rank and file don't comprehend it and it is my contention that you are simply distancing the language from your average joe by doing this to sate your own need for recognition. Maybe mark your posts as for the attention of the other handful of posters who seem to care also maybe?

Thats just full of arogance and ignorance. Regarding the rank and file comprehension don't be so arrogant as to think you can speak on behalf of Hogan Stand posters. Look over this thread. You will see that overwhelming majority of the posts have been positive. If you are worried people cannot understand the content bring it up with Hogan Stand and stop thinking you can make the rules for us mere Irish speakers. Its not up to you to decide what language people can or cannot post in. As I suggested before, perhaps this site isn't suitable for you if this annoys you so much.

Lastly, I find your habit of literally picking your way through other contributors posts with an almost lawyerly air of condescension a little objectionable to be honest.

If you cannot stand by what you write don't write it. I am only making reference to what you write. Do you mind me asking what age you are?

People know what they wrote and for you to respond as you do gives the impression you are trying to pick them apart I think?
Are you from the legal professions?

Of course. I don't agree with your arguments. Of course I am going to pick them apart. What do you expect? I cannot believe what you are saying here. Are you serious or is this a wind up?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 15/07/2012 20:06:39    1218181

By the way Bosco, surprise surprise you did not respond to some of my above questions which were:

1. Would a seperate section not be fair for those who are upset by the sight of Gaeilge on this site?

2. Are you not guilty of exactly this (arrogance speaking on behalf of Lynn Publications) when you tell me I shouldn't be posting as Gaeilge?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 15/07/2012 20:11:06    1218190

Culann,
I never told you not to post as gaeilge! Fill your boots. Just told you how it appears.
As regards resurrection, semantics. I mentioned that earlier, are you familiar with what that means?
Have a separate Irish language section all you want, doesn't matter to me.
My age? How is that relevant? Are you attempting to question my intellectual maturity? You're attempts won't work with me? Why is my age an issue for you?

Bosco (Carlow) - Posts: 664 - 15/07/2012 20:23:42    1218224

By the way Culann,
sorry I didn't answer an earlier question with the urgency you require. Deepest apologies! I have the feeling you're used to getting the answers you want tout de suite!!! Am I in contempt of Culann your honour?

Bosco (Carlow) - Posts: 664 - 15/07/2012 20:27:38    1218238

Lads, we are all Irish GAA Supporters, lets not fall out over the use of the Irish Language. Personally I'd welcome a few bi-lingual threads cos it would help me to practice my Irish which to be honest I have neglected for years. I actually don't agree with an Irish only section, I'd prefer the occasional bi-Lingual thread on the main Forum, even one a week would be o.k. by me. If lads have no interest in making an attempt to understand the posts or contribute to them, then that's ok, all they need do is ignore them, but leave those who enjoy them have their enjoyment.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 15/07/2012 20:35:47    1218255

So you are for a seperate section for Irish language discussion the. Good. I'll put put your name down with the others on the list. Regarding your age, I was asking because I felt you were unable to get a grasp of the topic and your inability to understand my English (never mind my Gaeilge!) as well as your inability to make clear sensible structured points. Because of this you just made wild unreasonable statments, in my opinion. When debating here you questioned me and took issue with the way I was effortleesly able to take your arguments apart. It makes me feel that maybe you are just young and inoccent. So maybe I should go easy on you.

Sorry if you don't like this. Its just the way I see it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 15/07/2012 20:44:14    1218273

Are you from the legal professions?
Bosco is a pseudonym also.

Are you Kevin Myers in disguise?

Ailteoir (Galway) - Posts: 913 - 15/07/2012 20:46:59    1218282

Tá mé ag ceapadh gurb é atá ann all right, a Aillteoir!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 15/07/2012 20:51:26    1218290

Aontím le suíomh Gaeilge a bheith ar fáil ar Ardán Uí hÓgáin.

dingle1 (Clare) - Posts: 805 - 15/07/2012 20:55:31    1218296

Caithfidh go bhfuil Bosco bocht imithe a chodladh!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 15/07/2012 21:09:18    1218331

County: Cork
Posts: 3327

1218255 Lads, we are all Irish GAA Supporters, lets not fall out over the use of the Irish Language.

but we are not true gaels unless we post in Irish seemingly.

i know an American professor that speaks Irish does that make him a Gael?

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 15/07/2012 21:26:09    1218370

Why is it such an issue? If a thread in Irish gets no hits, then that'll be that, discussion over. If people do post on it, it'll be their choice. Either way, there'll still be a choice of threads, 95% of which will most likely be in English. I'm not a native Irish speaker, but its nice to spend a little bit of time trying to think in Irish, maybe other people might enjoy it too.

I've always disliked intolerance of anything that might foreign, or close-mindedness towards anything beyond our shores. Growing up, I would have been as interested in culture from other countries as my own, and appreciated anyone that would stand up for my right to choose to listen to any kind of music I want, read any kind of books I want, wear any kind of clothes I want etc.
Back then I would never have imagined the same crusaders having an issue with Irish people indulging in a little bit of their own culture, if the fit took them. Tolerance/acceptance of wider culture doesn't have to mean intolerance of Irish culture.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 15/07/2012 21:34:06    1218390

Fáilte ar ais, a dhorse. D'airigh me uaim thú inniu. Tá do chara Bosco bocht imithe a chodladh. An créatúr bocht. Ní raibh sé in ann ag an bplé.

Maidir le do cheist déarfainn féin go raibh do chara gaelach seachas a bheith ina ghael. Céard a cheapfá faoi sin mar shainmhíniú?

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 15/07/2012 21:34:11    1218391

Regarding the rank and file comprehension don't be so arrogant as to think you can speak on behalf of Hogan Stand posters.


That didn't seem to stop you voting on behalf of others on your imaginery poll

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 15/07/2012 21:39:24    1218411