I'd imagine everyone who can speak Irish can also speak English so there's no need for such a forum.

We all know that nearly everyone who can speak Irish can speak English but you are missing my point. Read back over my original post. Its all about giving Irish speakers a chance to debate their national sports as Gaeilge on this site especially as there are a lot of Irish speakers on this site. There are very strong conections between the GAA and the language of Ireland. In fact the word Gaelic or 'Gael' in the Irish language version gives it all away!!

The GAA is divisive and exclusionary enough without GAA websites following suit by creating a forum where only a select few can contribute. You also have to take into account that Irish is by and large a dead language so why go to the bother of creating this forum when it would only be for a handful of people. A non-starter I'm afraid pplocal , 11/07/2012 at 14:26

I'd actually argue this website would be more inclusive were to give Irish language speakers the chance to debate in their own language - hence opening up to more people and more cultures. Can you see where I am coming from? Also, the Irish language is not dead yet. Although Irsh language communities (ie the Gaeltacht) are fading and being eroded on a daily basis the language is prospering outside of the Gaeltacht on a daily basis. To suggest that the language is by and large a dead language is ''excluding'' and ignoring hundreds of thousands.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 14:48:45    1214813

Culann my Irish is pretty weak but I do read the posts that are in Irish to see how much I can actually read. The reason my Irish is so weak is because I don't use it so I quite like the threads popping up.

I think rather than creating a separate section for Irish speakers the threads should be created on the main forum (or other sports forum depending on the topic) with the title of the thread in Irish as per you Iománaíocht 2012 thread. That way people who oppose it can simply ignore the thread and those who want to join in can do so.

spyboy (Antrim) - Posts: 343 - 11/07/2012 15:06:42    1214835

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I think rather than creating a separate section for Irish speakers the threads should be created on the main forum (or other sports forum depending on the topic) with the title of the thread in Irish as per you Iománaíocht 2012 thread. That way people who oppose it can simply ignore the thread and those who want to join in can do so.

I tried that spyboy. It didn't work. 'Gaels' and Irish people came on to the thread giving off about it because it was as Gaeilge. I have recommended a separate forum to protect them from having to see Gaeilge and so that they would not be excluded from whatever discussion that might be started.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 15:19:28    1214849

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I tried that spyboy. It didn't work. 'Gaels' and Irish people came on to the thread giving off about it because it was as Gaeilge. I have recommended a separate forum to protect them from having to see Gaeilge and so that they would not be excluded from whatever discussion that might be started.

Why do you keep labouring that point? 99% of posters are Irish so it doesn't need to be pointed out at every opportunity. Despite your protestations you clearly think people are lesser 'Gaels' for simply preferring hoganstand threads to be in English, so everyone can understand them.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12387 - 11/07/2012 15:28:33    1214860

Hi Culann,

My Irish wouldn't be great either, but similar to SpyBoy, I do like try and read the posts to get the gist of them.

Perhaps if posts on HoganStand had a link to the Google Translator (see below), then everyone could follow the posts, and it might even encourage posters like me (with little Irish on them) to contribute as Gaeilge.

http://translate.google.com/#ga|en|Michael%20is%20ainm%20dom

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 11/07/2012 15:42:56    1214875

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1214860 Culann
County: Dublin
Posts: 385

I tried that spyboy. It didn't work. 'Gaels' and Irish people came on to the thread giving off about it because it was as Gaeilge. I have recommended a separate forum to protect them from having to see Gaeilge and so that they would not be excluded from whatever discussion that might be started.

Why do you keep labouring that point? 99% of posters are Irish so it doesn't need to be pointed out at every opportunity. Despite your protestations you clearly think people are lesser 'Gaels' for simply preferring hoganstand threads to be in English, so everyone can understand them.

Good question! First off I keep repeating it because I do not think people are taking this into account when posting here. For example spyboy asked why not put in on the main forum when I had given my reason for not recommending that in my original post.

Regarding the lesser 'Gael's' point it nothing to do with ''simply preferring hoganstand threads to be in English, so everyone can understand them''. Its nothing to do with preference. I feel that some people just don't want it as Gaeilge. People who have come out aginst my recommendations have come out adn expressed worries about exclusivity, have told us not to do so because Gaeilge is more or less a dead language among other reasons. Gaeilge is not an exclusive language. Any one and everyone is free to learn it. It seems to me that some people here are just anti Irish language which leads me to another point. I find it very sad and strange that Irish people regularl speak out against the language of their country and I cannnot for the life of me understand it. Like hurling for example Gaeilge is something that is uniquely Irish and how Irish people could not like that I will never understand. Maybe thats just a problem that I will have to deal with. Who knows.

Regarding the word Gael, what definition would you have for that word? Just out of curiousity!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 15:53:51    1214886

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1214875 Hi Culann,

My Irish wouldn't be great either, but similar to SpyBoy, I do like try and read the posts to get the gist of them.

Perhaps if posts on HoganStand had a link to the Google Translator (see below), then everyone could follow the posts, and it might even encourage posters like me (with little Irish on them) to contribute as Gaeilge.

http://translate.google.com/#ga|en|Michael%20is%20ainm%20dom

Great point muffin. Although not the best translator in the world people would know what was going on. But some how I don't think this would satisfy everyone!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/07/2012 15:56:55    1214891

Is maith an smaoineamh é snáithe Ghaeilge i mo thuraim.

Muna bhfuil suim ag daoine iontu, ná léigh iad. Simplí!

Ach b'fhéidir go mbeadh suim ag roinnt daoine labhairt faoin bpeil nó faoin iomáint trí mheán na Gaeilge agus bheadh suim agam gan amhras.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13816 - 11/07/2012 15:59:38    1214900

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County: Dublin
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But some how I don't think this would satisfy everyone!

Bheadh ​​Daoine ar mian leo a bheith sásta a bheith sásta; ní bheadh ​​iad siúd nach bhfuil.

http://translate.google.com/#en|ga|Those%20who%20wish%20to%20be%20satisfied%20would%20be%20satisfied%3B%20those%20who%20do%20not%20would%20not.

:)

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 11/07/2012 16:10:38    1214911

Culann
County: Dublin
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Good question! First off I keep repeating it because I do not think people are taking this into account when posting here. For example spyboy asked why not put in on the main forum when I had given my reason for not recommending that in my original post.

Regarding the lesser 'Gael's' point it nothing to do with ''simply preferring hoganstand threads to be in English, so everyone can understand them''. Its nothing to do with preference. I feel that some people just don't want it as Gaeilge. People who have come out aginst my recommendations have come out adn expressed worries about exclusivity, have told us not to do so because Gaeilge is more or less a dead language among other reasons. Gaeilge is not an exclusive language. Any one and everyone is free to learn it. It seems to me that some people here are just anti Irish language which leads me to another point. I find it very sad and strange that Irish people regularl speak out against the language of their country and I cannnot for the life of me understand it. Like hurling for example Gaeilge is something that is uniquely Irish and how Irish people could not like that I will never understand. Maybe thats just a problem that I will have to deal with. Who knows.

This is the thing. I don't agree with that. I think people who have disagreed with the notion of irish threads/board simply prefer threads in in English as everyone nderstands them. Obviously one poster went OTT but thats par for the course. Otherwise I can't help get the impression you are adding your own flourishes to why people disagree with you on this idea. I love Irish, I love Hurling etc, I don't love the idea of irish threads on here. They are too much hard work and would be much much much more practical and useful in English.

Regarding the word Gael, what definition would you have for that word? Just out of curiousity!

Dunno really, was only quoting yourself. When it's used on here it generally refers to people with an interest in GAA as far as I can see

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12387 - 11/07/2012 16:10:58    1214912

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County: Cavan

Why do you keep labouring that point? 99% of posters are Irish so it doesn't need to be pointed out at every opportunity. Despite your protestations you clearly think people are lesser 'Gaels' for simply preferring hoganstand threads to be in English, so everyone can understand them.
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The impression I got was not that Culann thought people were lesser Gaels for preferring threads in English, but maybe lesser 'Gaels' (perhaps, maybe) for not being able to tolerate even a fraction of activity on the site being in Irish. One or two threads as Gaeilge out of 100's wouldn't be so much of an imposition, would it?

Like most people, I don't have pleasant memories of being taught Irish in school. Unlike some people, I could never use that fact to justify wearing a hatred of the language as a badge of honor. And it'd be great to have have some outlet here where I could flex the puny Irish language muscles I have, whether that be a section as Gaeilge, or just the odd thread.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 11/07/2012 16:13:24    1214914

If the format of the forum improved so the interface was similar to boards.ie or the leinster/munster rugby supporters forums then you could look at it. Allow private messaging between users, allow posters rate other peoples posts, allow posters post anytime they want with no restrictions with posters allowed report posts they find offensive to the forum moderators
If the forum was improved and adapted there could be a forum "as gaeilge" where all posts are in irish in combination to the existing threads.
Like instead of just GAA and Non GAA threads you could have a Hurling forum, a football forum, a forum about improving championship structures, an underage forum for discussion of u14/15/16/minor intercounty championships.
Allow videos be posted up easier. Make the posting up of links easier

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/07/2012 16:22:11    1214918

Maith thú Marlon..... Excellently put...!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 11/07/2012 16:24:33    1214922

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Like most people, I don't have pleasant memories of being taught Irish in school.

I'm actually coming at it from a different point of view; in the schools that I went to, which were Catholic btw, there was no Irish until secondary school, and at that it was only 1 year compulsory, after which "European" languages were proactively encouraged for GCSE, which I've long since forgotten.

So, as you would, I would like to see posts as Gaeilge as often as people see fit to post as Gaeilge.

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 11/07/2012 16:30:08    1214936

good ideas ormand. we should be allowed to give posts on here a thumbs up or a thumbs down and display the ratings.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 11/07/2012 17:13:24    1214996

In all walks of life you legislate for the masses and given this is a discussion forum i belive EVERYBODY should have a right to respond or give opinion on any topic posted without been excluded intentionally or otherwise......Secondly i dont see why one would want the opinion of only irish speakers on any given subject ,this is not an improve your gailge site there are plenty of them out there gaa included

booboo (Cork) - Posts: 1382 - 11/07/2012 17:23:38    1215007

The majority generally rule ok but minoritys are not discriminated against either. No one is suggesting that anyone be forced to read or participate in any post as Gaelige. The idea being that if some posters with varying degrees of knowledge of Irish want to have a bi-lingual thread they should be allowed to do so without having their thread slagged off. I have absolutely no doubt that 99% + of threads will continue to be in English so there will be plenty of stuff for WUMS to mess up.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 11/07/2012 17:40:25    1215034

Amazing the attitude of some people on here. Talk of exclusiveness and divisiveness. Why should people from the gaeltacht be forced to speak their second language to discuss gaelic sports? In my view if a thread goes up as gaeilge then if you dont want to participate then dont. If the topic interests you then start one in english. In the north the language is making something of a comeback. The gaeltacht in belfast is quite vibrant and gaelscoilleana are growing and indeed the one in omagh is turning children away as they cant accomodate them. I enjoy the threads in irish and indeed find that they improve my irish. Indeed i see the asst chief constable of the psni received her silver fainne and a considerable number of psni officers have taken on the liofa challenge sponsored by dept of culture and learning including a fair number of "non traditional" irish learners.

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 11/07/2012 18:58:27    1215149

Are these tiny minority of people being forced to speak their second language? As far as I was aware posts in Irish are allowed on this board. I don't think a separate forum should be set up however to cater for their needs, if for whatever reason they wish to speak Irish by all means go ahead

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 11/07/2012 19:32:46    1215192

Go raibh míle maith agat as do pp cead a scríobh i nGaeilge ar an bhFóram. Tá do cineáltas agus flaithiúlacht meas mór.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 11/07/2012 20:27:25    1215267