the irish hockey team has a larger population area than dublin but they get less support..fair play to dublin supporters for beating them...is that the point your making hill?

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 13:26:19    1244427

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the irish hockey team has a larger population area than dublin but they get less support..fair play to dublin supporters for beating them...is that the point your making hill?

no my point is that your main reason to say dublin has bad supporters is because dublin has the biggest population but if you were to go by that all the time then you have to apply that to all sports and the fact is dublin have been the best supported sports team in ireland over the last decade so i cannot agree that the best supported sports team in the country could have bad support it does not make any sense if that was the case how can the team with highest supporters be bad support levels,china has a population of 1.3 billion people so does that mean they have to have every stadium full for all their matches?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/08/2012 13:57:01    1244463

If there is a poor attendance this Sunday at the hurling semi are we allowed to slag Tipp/Kilkenny folk that the reason is the Premier League starts back that day?

Its something I'm used to hearing as a Dubs fan so just wondering......

DNS16 (Dublin) - Posts: 53 - 13/08/2012 14:10:01    1244480

i said they were not the best and theyv had very poor support in certain games..you are making them out to be the best when they clearly are not as other counties have great support just dont have the population..dublin should always have the largest numbers of support in gaa because they are always at home and have the largest population...the points you make make no sense as i am referring to gaa which is the largest sport in ireland while all you are doing is naming areas with big populations with no regard to how big the sport is in the actual area

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 14:17:51    1244492

there is no point continuing this hill we will agree to disagree as you make no sense and im bored

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 14:19:15    1244496

What was the attendance in Croker yesterday?

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 13/08/2012 14:21:56    1244498

ffgg

I think your argument is overly simplistic. You are simply claiming that one independent variable (population) determines whether a county has good or bad supporters. This, putting it in the nicest possible terms, is terribly weak analysis on your behalf. If you persist, however, let us look at it this way:

If Dublin had an average home attendance at this year's national league of 32,000 and they have a population 1,000, 000 (simply rounding the figures) then 0.032 of their population turned up to their matches.

If we extrapolated those figures to Longford then if Longford's support were to be better than Dublin's, then 960 + supporters would have to attend each home game (0.032 X 30000). How many actually attended Longford's home national league matches this year?

How many people on average attend Longford inter-county national hurling league matches? Does the number even reach three digits?

My analysis is very simple as well I admit. However, the reason why you are bored I feel is that you are the one that is making no sense. I have have no reason to side with Hill16 (in fact we disagreed on issues recently re B Brogan) but in this case some of the points he is making are valid. Having read what you both have to say, he is the only one making sense. All you have done is call him illiterate, say you are bored and then asking him to agree to disagree..hardly strong debating skills on your behalf.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/08/2012 14:47:27    1244529

all im saying is dublin should always have the largest figures of support as theyv the largest population and gaa is huge in dublin...especially considering there at home thats it..population is a major factor as is travel in relation to how much support a team gets if the interest in the sport is very high in the county that is why i find it a disgrace that dublin could not get more support than donegal or kildare for the quarter final ...longfords support this year ranged from about 4-5000 for each game which is quite good considering the size of the population..

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 15:03:10    1244551

and i dont see how his argument is making sense but you saw fit to personally attack me but thats fine..hurling doesnt exist in longford really so not worth talking about

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 15:05:15    1244553

the reason i am so bored is hill gets very upset any time anything is said about the dubs and there is no point arguing with him..i once argued with him on our soccer players playing abroad which he found a problem with which is totally idiotic

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 15:08:00    1244558

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What was the attendance in Croker yesterday?


41 thousand. Poor crowd I thought but slapping 40 euro on the ticket turned many (myself included) off.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 13/08/2012 15:12:18    1244565

"hurling doesnt exist in longford really so not worth talking about"

Yes it does! See who's 3rd in Division 1 in Westmeath? http://westmeathgaa.ie/league/31797/division1

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 13/08/2012 15:13:56    1244567

not the worst crowd ever considering how far each team had to travel and galway being known for getting poor support

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 15:14:35    1244569

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I did not personally attack you. I attacked your analysis and I explained why. That is debating. Thank you as well for saying that hurling does not exist in Longford. You have finally admitted that there are other variable that influence attendance. Hurling is part of the GAA but not many people in Longford's 30,000+ population are very interested in it, hence they choose not to attend matches. Is it a disgrace then that Longford county hurling team cannot garner much support? No, of course not. Can we not use the same rationale for the hundreds of thousands of people in Dublin that simply have no interest at all in Dublin GAA? As I said earlier is it not more appropriate to take support as a measure of those actually interested in GAA?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/08/2012 15:16:51    1244575

youve proved my point keeper..the fact that longford play in westmeath in hurling shows how little interest there is in hurling in longford

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 15:20:12    1244579

no we cant use that rationale really as that is far too simplistic on your part as dublin gaa have proved time and again there is massive interest in gaelic football in dublin shown by them packing out croke part countless times while longford hurlers have never received any support and theres never been much interest in hurling in longford...you attacked me for only focusing on population as you ignored that i also factored in travel and the interest in the actual sport unlike hill

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 15:27:16    1244589

Agreed that saying interest is a simplistic variable. In fact it is so simplistic that it gets overlooked. However, it is possibly the most crucial. If people are not interested they will not go. That is very simple, yet very true. Population is a variable that effects attendance too. However, it is simplistic for a different reason; that being it is a non-descript summary statistic.

And anyaway, you have said that the Dubs have filled Croke Patk many times...they have..they surely cannot do more than that can they? what are you expecting of them?

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 13/08/2012 15:42:46    1244600

im not saying they are terrible fans im just saying on occasions they have had very poor attendences like last sunday for instance which are unacceptable for the size of the population in dublin and the level of interest in football in dublin thats it!so i would not regard them as the best supporters is all!

ffgg (Longford) - Posts: 2571 - 13/08/2012 15:45:57    1244604

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no we cant use that rationale really as that is far too simplistic on your part as dublin gaa have proved time and again there is massive interest in gaelic football in dublin shown by them packing out croke part countless times while longford hurlers have never received any support and theres never been much interest in hurling in longford...you attacked me for only focusing on population as you ignored that i also factored in travel and the interest in the actual sport unlike hill

yes you just admit dublin have packed croke park out time and time again so how on earth have we one of the worst support in the country you are contridicting yourself now.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/08/2012 15:47:03    1244609

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i said they were not the best and theyv had very poor support in certain games..you are making them out to be the best when they clearly are not as other counties have great support just dont have the population..dublin should always have the largest numbers of support in gaa because they are always at home and have the largest population...the points you make make no sense as i am referring to gaa which is the largest sport in ireland while all you are doing is naming areas with big populations with no regard to how big the sport is in the actual area

but they have the highest attendances of any sports team in ireland over the last decade so surely that means we are getting good support
i dont see what your point is you sound like you think every county should have a percentage of their population supporting their gaa teams which is ridiculous but you then in turn think other sports are not included in having to have a percentage of their populations support them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/08/2012 15:52:38    1244619