[b]Money can definitely buy success, if all the smaller counties were handed €1 million each to develop they could invest in coaches to travel to schools on a daily basis, develop training faciliites and possibly even pay young kids €2 per training session and €5 per match to encourage them to play. It's a lot of money for a kid. Money would definitely help, no doubt about it. It would take time to develop but the real question would be once they leave school and stop getting the few euro to play, would they keep turning up. Hopefully they would.


What clubs in their right mind would pay young players to attend training? Thats a very silly statement .
Dublin are producing players in hurling and football due to all the work they are doing at grass roots level and alot of this is down to people who moved up from the country to the city and took their gaa backround with them. They have joined clubs are helped coach their children in clubs. If work is put in at the grass roots then success will follow at some stage.

galwaybhoy (Galway) - Posts: 83 - 16/05/2012 12:34:24    1173389

In fairness lads that doesn't only go on in Dublin. It goes on all over the country in every club in every corner. However its fair to say a lot of these coaches have not been coached themselves and thats all down to finance.

I was told that Dublin and the GAA have invested heavily in Dublin. Numerous full time coached etc have helped the coaches at local level and by all accounts this has been quite intense. I'm involved in local juvenile GAA and I've only had a beginners lesson in coaching (partly my own fault). But if certainly helps that there are numerous coaches in Dublin to disseminate the knowledge. Many hand and all that.

And no I'm not having a cut off Dublin before anyone comes on here ranting.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 16/05/2012 12:51:06    1173409

people who moved up from the country to the city and took their gaa backround with them
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Ehh, you just keep on telling yerself that galwaybhoy......because of course no Dublin native ever joined the GAA without a mullah guiding him!!!

Im sure the people of Craobh Chiarain, Crumlin or Good Counsel or Round Towers etc have an awful lot of country folk in their clubs.....not really!!

Both my parents are mullahs and not a single one of them had any interest in the GAA until I joined with my mates as a kid and now my Mam is mad about it but my Dad couldnt give two hoots!!....so where did my "GAA country parents influence" come from??!!

The foreign kids in Lucan Sarsfields club dont have the parental background of country parents to guide them into the GAA do they?!

Open yer eyes lad and realise that the only poor unfortunate 1930's era lad thats "dancin at the crossroads" with the ghost of De Valera is you!!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus.....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 16/05/2012 13:17:08    1173440

galwaybhoy
County: Galway
Posts: 71

How is it a silly statement? The question was, Can money buy success? Answer is yes.

Outsider222 (UK) - Posts: 95 - 16/05/2012 13:31:31    1173452

Snuf, I am not saying this is the case for all clubs or for every player. Your own club, Boden, Crokes, Syls, Cuala, Na Fianna etc have all been heavly influenced by lads from the country. I am not saying this is a bad thing. It shows the Gaa for what it is, A place where everybody is welcome no matter where they are from and from helping in a club they then become part of the community. Lads have moved to Dublin for work or education reasons. These people including myself may no few people in the are where they live and intergrate into their community by joining the Gaa Club.

As for Outsider22 possibly even pay young kids €2 per training session and €5 per match to encourage them to play. It's a lot of money for a kid. Money would definitely help,
What i ment was what club would pay a kid to play or to train. That was the only part which i believed to be silly.No club would or should go down that line.
Of Course clubs which invest will probably achieve more success. This does not mean by investing in facilities but more inline with investing in coaching and coaching courses etc.
Also what defines success. Is it trophies? Playing at a higher standard? More plaing members in your club? Staying senior, jnr? All Clubs are different

galwaybhoy (Galway) - Posts: 83 - 16/05/2012 16:46:09    1173694

i have to say galwayboy any clubs i have been in i have found some of the country guys coaching (there aint many though mostly dubs coaching kids) to have a backward opinion on things.
one particular club i wont name is very bad the influence on kids is to just drive and hoof the ball up the field.
there is alot of country guys who are chairmen and secretarys in dublin clubs and this is where the problem comes from.
just look at parnells and guess where the man that runs the club is from it wont be hard to answer

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 16/05/2012 17:15:25    1173740

Success cannot be bought, a very ignorant assertion.

GetOverTheBar (Tyrone) - Posts: 1388 - 16/05/2012 19:00:23    1173833

Stop the go's at dublin, in terms of underage and numbers playing etc. Quite a few years ago dublin did the right thing unlike the IRFU and rugby. In dublin several monstrous super clubs were created, with huge numbers playing the game in these clubs like dont ballyboden have between u12,13,14.15 and u16 have 13 teams in football and 6 in hurling
There is a huge amount of clubs in total as well unlike rugby who in dublin kept the game for a long period in the old traditional clubs and didnt bother expand into new areas, which they have done fairly well with clubs like tallaght amongst others

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 16/05/2012 20:09:52    1173919

There is a former Laois player togging out with Ofally now. I don't see all those in uproar over Seany Johnston going mad about this.

BettystownRoyal (Meath) - Posts: 3353 - 16/05/2012 20:15:32    1173926

Yes the money spent by county boards on county teams, youth development and good facilities is always going to have an edge on those who don't. Simple as that.

bananapublican (Leitrim) - Posts: 878 - 16/05/2012 20:17:34    1173930

Really we will have to see how championship goes. And see if kildare can win anything. Then we will be able to answer yes or no.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 16/05/2012 20:22:53    1173936

galwaybhoy
County: Galway
Posts: 72


I see your point but look at the amount of Counties with less than 8 hurling clubs. Coaches are not going to knock on the door and tell kids to come out, but you can be guaranteed if there was some reward for them to play then the numbers would increase. I go back to the question can money buy success, if there was unlimited money in a county to buy sucess then why wouldn't clubs and schools give kids a few quid to encouage them to play? Success is winning trophies for most people but if a team like Cavan got to an All Ireland hurling quarter final then that would be a sucess in my book.
Building big dressing rooms and ball alleys and investing in coaches is not going to encourge new players, it's the players who don't play are the ones we want to encouage to come out. Players who already love the sport don't need the encouragement as it's already there.

Outsider222 (UK) - Posts: 95 - 17/05/2012 13:27:27    1174333

pump a few million into Leitrim then tell us

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1779 - 17/05/2012 16:14:28    1174549

pay young kids €2 per training session and €5 per match to encourage them to play

These payments are already rife throughout the association. Masquerading as legitimate expenses, such as Band-Aid costs and tricycle wear and tear, these payments contravene the amateur status of the GAA. I believe the revenue commissioner has a role to play in investigating some of these u-8 teams.

Gega (Kerry) - Posts: 46 - 17/05/2012 16:37:53    1174579

51longago
County: Mayo
Posts: 1416

My point was more to do with Dublin senior clubs, coaches, players given jobs, even in the clubs gym. It is amazing what is going on and the big sums been rumoured is even more amazing.

What amazes me is gullible people who believe all the rumours, afraid that the honest answer is hard work at underage by thousands of volunteers every week that gives you the players in the first place . but that doesnt sound as juicy for gossip does it .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 17/05/2012 21:31:44    1174840