05/11/2012 16:56:22
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, how am i getting hyperbole surely there would be more cause for to stop knee injuries as there is more of them in gaa then teeth injuries.
tell me where in parnell park there should be 1 thousand less people not allowed then last year nothing has changed with the ground its seated or concrete the whole way around id love to know where the 1 thousand less in the ground will be coming from.no need to try insult me by calling me a nobody what makes you an expert oh becuase you play rugby sooooorrrrrrryyyyyyy and know you put in you have experiance playing gaelic football and know the dangers i have never worn one and have never had facial injury once so what makes your case better then mine.
you see thats my point its unfair to force people to wear them just becuase some people feel they need them.
I called you a nobody because you said god knows why the capacity of parnell park was reduced. well im sure the fire officer has his reasons for reducing the capacity and he, im sure, is much more qualified to state when a ground is safe enough for a certain capacity.
Ive seen people having to pay thousands of euro to orthodontists and dentists after getting hit in the face while playing football without wearing a gumshield and dont wish that on anybody else.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/11/2012 17:16:12    1293012

ormondbannerman

well have you been to parnell park its basically steps concrete and a bar to lean on oh and the stands have seats no differant to croker how 1 thousand can be taken off it is baffling when every part of the ground is the same surely the whole ground is unsafe if 1 thousand of it is thats why i said god knows why,
these health and safety are just out to make a name for themselves and have to be seen to cut every ground thats my belief behind it.
yes people may have but people have also been struck by cars but we dont make it all pedestrians wear a helmet to prevent this.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/11/2012 21:35:12    1293196

05/11/2012 21:35:12
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, well have you been to parnell park its basically steps concrete and a bar to lean on oh and the stands have seats no differant to croker how 1 thousand can be taken off it is baffling when every part of the ground is the same surely the whole ground is unsafe if 1 thousand of it is thats why i said god knows why,
these health and safety are just out to make a name for themselves and have to be seen to cut every ground thats my belief behind it.
yes people may have but people have also been struck by cars but we dont make it all pedestrians wear a helmet to prevent this
No the health and safety people are not "out to make a name for themselves". They follow procedures and can back up why they are cutting/adding to a stadiums capacity.
Both my parents work in the health and safety sector and my father has a masters in h+s and has done safety analysis of sporting grounds in the past(including parnell park) and from what he said when i asked him about parnell park that cuts were needed to the capacity
You are getting ridiculous by saying things like some people have been struck by cars but we dont make all pedestrians wear a helmet to prevent this.
If the GAA doesnt reduce capacity it has to pay much much more in insurance and its easier to reduce capacity then pay the much higher insurance costs.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/11/2012 21:56:54    1293211

It will be interesting to see who has to enforce this rule, will we have to line up and be inspected like for shin pads in soccer? It'd sure to end up in the high court when some young lad not wearing 1 gets a slap and mammy and daddy sue the ref. BTW companies will call to ur club now and make customised shields for everyone for a lot less than dentists

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 06/11/2012 09:27:17    1293235

ormondbannerman
first your name is ormondbannerman and your from tipperary but put clare down by mistake and have a nickname which includes clare nickname
you just get better and better mr rugby now has a father who decides the capacitys of stadiums in gaa then ask your father where in parnell park he saw needed reducing as the whole terrace is the exact same condition so ask him why the whole ground is not reduced in that case
how am i getting ridiculous you feel anybody who doesnt wear a gumshield is a fool so whats the differance in a pedestrian wearing a helmet,the amount of facial injuries in gaa would match the amount of pedestrians struck by cars.so your basciacly saying insurance companys a re cutting capacitys not health and sfety really that its a ll a money scam.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/11/2012 13:20:43    1293350

06/11/2012 13:20:43
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, first your name is ormondbannerman and your from tipperary but put clare down by mistake and have a nickname which includes clare nickname
you just get better and better mr rugby now has a father who decides the capacitys of stadiums in gaa then ask your father where in parnell park he saw needed reducing as the whole terrace is the exact same condition so ask him why the whole ground is not reduced in that case
how am i getting ridiculous you feel anybody who doesnt wear a gumshield is a fool so whats the differance in a pedestrian wearing a helmet,the amount of facial injuries in gaa would match the amount of pedestrians struck by cars.so your basciacly saying insurance companys a re cutting capacitys not health and sfety really that its a ll a money scam.
If you really believe its a money scam. write to the relevant Authorities who can investigate it.
yes my father has in the past been involved in setting what capacity a stadium can safely hold.
no comparing somebody not wearing a gumshield in a match is not the same as a pedestrian wearing a helmet.
Look at the amount of payouts for teeth injurys
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ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/11/2012 14:25:32    1293409

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hahahahahaha write to the authorites who will investigate it have you not learned anything from your years of adulthood that top brass of any organisation do not get investigated into they get claims brushed under the carpet.well ask him where in parnell park the reduction should come from.
it kind of is as facial injuries are a minority just like pedestrian crashes my point is you cannot prevent yourself from ever been injured in life there will always be something next in line people will be looking to try prevent it will never end,just like if gumshields come in then you will see calls for to reduce chest injuries by wearing body armour,then knee pads to prevent knee injuries wrist pads to prevent bone breaks and so on.
130 something out of how many playing gaelic footballers week in week out that proves nothing,it also said groin ijuries were up so why not tackle that region next you will be calling for all players to wear cups to prevent that region from been injured on the odd case you get hit there.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/11/2012 15:23:05    1293451

06/11/2012 15:23:05
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, hahahahahaha write to the authorites who will investigate it have you not learned anything from your years of adulthood that top brass of any organisation do not get investigated into they get claims brushed under the carpet.well ask him where in parnell park the reduction should come from.
it kind of is as facial injuries are a minority just like pedestrian crashes my point is you cannot prevent yourself from ever been injured in life there will always be something next in line people will be looking to try prevent it will never end,just like if gumshields come in then you will see calls for to reduce chest injuries by wearing body armour,then knee pads to prevent knee injuries wrist pads to prevent bone breaks and so on.
130 something out of how many playing gaelic footballers week in week out that proves nothing,it also said groin ijuries were up so why not tackle that region next you will be calling for all players to wear cups to prevent that region from been injured on the odd case you get hit there.
Dont be childish by saying that if gumshields are brought in then body armour will then be brought in.
You are paranoid if you think all claims dont get investigated.
Of course you cannot prevent yourself from ever getting injured but leaving yourself very open to get injured when there is very good protection available is silly.
Most groin injuries are strains from running so a cup wouldnt do anything.
130 is still a lot and thats just a small number of those injured in that area. there would be a lot more who were injured. that figure is just the total figure of those who were paid out under the Players Injury Scheme. there would be others who wouldnt be in that scheme

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/11/2012 15:35:49    1293465

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06/11/2012 15:23:05
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, hahahahahaha write to the authorites who will investigate it have you not learned anything from your years of adulthood that top brass of any organisation do not get investigated into they get claims brushed under the carpet.well ask him where in parnell park the reduction should come from.
it kind of is as facial injuries are a minority just like pedestrian crashes my point is you cannot prevent yourself from ever been injured in life there will always be something next in line people will be looking to try prevent it will never end,just like if gumshields come in then you will see calls for to reduce chest injuries by wearing body armour,then knee pads to prevent knee injuries wrist pads to prevent bone breaks and so on.
130 something out of how many playing gaelic footballers week in week out that proves nothing,it also said groin ijuries were up so why not tackle that region next you will be calling for all players to wear cups to prevent that region from been injured on the odd case you get hit there.
Dont be childish by saying that if gumshields are brought in then body armour will then be brought in.
You are paranoid if you think all claims dont get investigated.
Of course you cannot prevent yourself from ever getting injured but leaving yourself very open to get injured when there is very good protection available is silly.
Most groin injuries are strains from running so a cup wouldnt do anything.
130 is still a lot and thats just a small number of those injured in that area. there would be a lot more who were injured. that figure is just the total figure of those who were paid out under the Players Injury Scheme. there would be others who wouldnt be in that scheme

well chest ribs and lung injuries would be far more serious then teeth injuries so if anything there would be more of a call for body armour then gumshields,
or dislocated shoulders why not make every player have to wear shoulder brace.
yes but forcing people to wear an item to hinders their game is unfair why not leave it up to the individual themselves.
you realy think the gardai ombudsman gives a fair assesment of claims against gardai? and likewise for judges and bankers and all these authoritys.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/11/2012 16:40:07    1293526

hill16no1man
well chest ribs and lung injuries would be far more serious then teeth injuries so if anything there would be more of a call for body armour then gumshields,
or dislocated shoulders why not make every player have to wear shoulder brace.
yes but forcing people to wear an item to hinders their game is unfair why not leave it up to the individual themselves.
you realy think the gardai ombudsman gives a fair assesment of claims against gardai? and likewise for judges and bankers and all these authoritys.
Yes i do as they are a public authority and through FOI etc the information would have to be made available.
How does a gumshield impact your breathing?
with your attitude which is just getting childish by you stating loads of body parts and saying they should be covered up.

The most important function of the mouth guard is to keep the teeth from slamming into each other, causing a shock to reverberate through the mouth and skull which could cause damage to the teeth, sinuses, ears, and brain. so if you want to run the risk

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/11/2012 17:26:32    1293578

ormondbannerman

haha you gullable then if you believe that i cannot remember gardai been done for anything when there was clear evidence.
i already explained sevral times if your a mouthbreather it restricts your breathing and thus impacting on your performance as a player.
yeah well i think ribs and lungs and are for more at risk from a tackle then my teeth.
yes i and gaa players for the last 130 years have ran that risk and i see it as a right players should have to choose not be forced to wear something that can rstrict and impact their performance.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/11/2012 18:05:19    1293618

06/11/2012 18:05:19
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, haha you gullable then if you believe that i cannot remember gardai been done for anything when there was clear evidence.
i already explained sevral times if your a mouthbreather it restricts your breathing and thus impacting on your performance as a player.
yeah well i think ribs and lungs and are for more at risk from a tackle then my teeth.
yes i and gaa players for the last 130 years have ran that risk and i see it as a right players should have to choose not be forced to wear something that can rstrict and impact their performance.
quit with the insults. now im gullible..
more long lasting damage can be done to your teeth than your ribs.
if gumshields restricted peoples performance to such a degree as you are implying dont you think most rugby players wouldnt use one. but they do.
We all breathe through our mouth. gumshields can be slightly uncomfortable and ive had plenty of gumshields that were not moulded correctly but never to the extent that my breathing was seriously restricted and ive never ever seen somebody need medical assistance because they felt a gumshield ws affecting their performance

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 06/11/2012 18:22:08    1293641

ormondbannerman

well if you realy think that authorites actualy get done by their own counterparts you must be just look a the law against driving while on your mobile phone and look at the next 10 garda cars you see i guarantee you will see at least 5 of them on them,do they get done?
more carrears can be ended by damage to your ribs then gums thats what the sporting side of it is supposed to look at.
again with the rugby why does everything have to be becuase rugby does this or that,rugby is played at a far slower pace then gaelic football you require alot more oxygen intake in gaelic football.actualy we dont all breath in through our mouth your actualy supposed to breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth.
alot of gumshields have damaged peoples mouths on impact a couple of posters have already given examples.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 06/11/2012 20:15:46    1293746