Didnt say it dosent happen anywhere else,I said it was a particularly bad problem in Tyrone.I will once again say also that I will not defend the actions of the Corofin supporters just because Im from galway.Ive a funny feeling that had the Derrytresk players been from a different county/province you guys wouldnt be so vociferous in your defence of them.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 24/01/2012 19:25:57    1099763

Lets be honest theirs no love lost between Tyrone and kerry, so their is not going to be a rational debate on the matter ,more of people standing up for their own,not giving an inch and dragging up previous instances by other counties as a counter arguement. We give out about rugby reporters and ANTI GAA comments ,now they have great ammunition. This is far from exclusive to tyrone or ulster teams ,only a couple of months ago i watched a brawl between two teams and the people from the sideline were involved as well and neither club was from ulster. Bottomline is this carry on is from the stoneage, and this bravado and pushing out chests stuff is cowardly .I think the gaa will be left with no choice but to come down hard on the culprits. THIS IS A GAA PROBLEM not a north v south problem as some people think. Its peoples mind set that has to change and understand that kids are watching this, and its not ok to give someone a punch or jump in for one of your own as if it was outside a pub at night. Laws have to be enforced where you will end up with jail time for assault at a sporting event. Unfortunately there is gonna have to be more of a garda presence at these matches .

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 24/01/2012 19:29:11    1099765

Agree with Pinkie both Teams should be thrown out, GAA has to take strong action and let the Munster and Ulster losers play each other next weekend to see who play the Galway team in the final. The subs and supporters jumping the barrier is the problem,incidents happen in every match and the ref tries to deal with them but he hadn't a hope in hell. If the derrytresk subs didn't get involved dromid 10 and 4 shown yellows if not a red for 10 couldn't see it fully and free for Derrytresk. The mentor with the clipboard was trying to hold the ball because his player was injured and to get the referees attention,a natural thing to do,Kerry number 4 lashed out as he wanted the ball. The ref would have dealt with it if he was given the chance. The subs and supporters coming on is the issue, CCC have to throw Derrytresk out as they failed to control their subs.
I think Dromid should go as one of their subs also got involved, I know it's only one but still same offence.

andhuglas (Cork) - Posts: 26 - 24/01/2012 19:33:33    1099772

wise_guy I dont agree with your assesment that it wasnt anything major. If that is normal then we have gone down a bad road in the GAA, This is not Tyrone v Kerry, Dromid are Dromid and Derrytresk are Derrytresk. I was at the match for Intermediate Semi Final which was physical but fair. The junior was violence throughout the match. See my previous comment, I think all players subs and officals in the brawl be banned for a period of time from BOTH sides. County Boards fined heavily and clubs fined heavily. Then that would give a warning. I think Sunday is the day the GAA should start cutting this crap out. This is a Dromid Derrytresk issue and let it be those clubs who everyone refer to not county

milltownsupport (Kerry) - Posts: 85 - 24/01/2012 19:36:14    1099778

The Road..
Don't go with your feelings or instincts i would suggest they are as a flawed as your impartiality

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 24/01/2012 19:39:07    1099780

Its hard to beat a row at a GAA match to raise the ire of the people of Ireland. Even if the republic is going bananas and the weather is bad this topic is sure to engage the whole of society. For anyone studying the sociology, politics, culture, history and beliefs on the island of Ireland in 2012 this thread is sure to be a very valuable resource.
The Hoganstand Forums have been very quiet for a year or two now but not any more......every Tom Dick and Harry has had their say, lots of old posters have come out of mothballs to play a stormer for the full 70 minutes at midfield, discarding their pipes and slippers on their way onto the field. I expect Ballboy is now warming up on the sideline!
Celebrities and tv personalities have joined the fray. Ivan Yates, Eugene McGee, George Hook, Pat Spillane, Kevin McStay and Joe Duffy have all weighed in and every one of them wading in on the side of the right-thinking people. Where the hell is Dunphy?
It has been a sight to behold. The right thinking people have been joined by the knee-jerk reactors, riders of high horses, witch hunters, preachers, pontificators, evangelists, snake oil salesmen, apologists and of course the gullible will always be with us.
My abiding memory is of the Derrytresk subs coming over the railings. It was like the field jumping Beechers the first time round.
It wasn't much of a row really. But in this mad country the molehill becomes a mountain. People want to tilt at 'windmills' (I use that word advisedly and Tyrone people will know why) while they stand silently by as their country is being pillaged under their noses........

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 24/01/2012 19:54:05    1099793

Very nice post BIG SACKS.Very articulate.Well done.But who are you to judge what constitutes "right thinking",when you trivialise players being grabbed in the groin area,being stamped on and having their jaws broken,as well as supporters attacking players and mass brawls breaking out.Mountain out of a molehill my backside.This is a big problem and needs to be treated as such.Maybe if people like you had stopped trivialising these incidents long ago we would have had the problem sorted out by now.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 24/01/2012 20:06:56    1099801

ok let me be the first to apologise to all the scum who drag our game down to the gutter be it they are from dublin , kerry , cork or down , we are so sorry to have offended yous and the likes of yous who hit off the ball , abuse other teams , referees , and opposing supporters oh and even their own when seen fit , we are so sorry to have seen wrong when players and opposing supporters and referees have been subject to physical abuse ,we have also been wrong when we defend fair play and sportsmanship , yous and the ones that defend it are not gaa men yous are bullies

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 24/01/2012 20:07:38    1099802

Dellboypolecat
County: Tyrone

"Not offical yet but the tyrone club has been kicked a disgrace in my eyes and shame on croke park south v north .."

Irrespective of any sanctions and or penalties that the GAA may impose the state authorities are obliged to take action against all the assailants, the video clearly shows a number of serious assaults being committed.

Otherwise the three Louth lads currently facing assault charges for jostling Tyrone referee Martin Sludden have been singled out and are therefore being victimised.

squidword (Louth) - Posts: 2897 - 24/01/2012 20:17:09    1099812

The fact its a Tyrone team will mean people will jump to conclusions faster but the facts are that Tyrone clubs are making headlines for all the wrong reasons on a frequent basis and therefore bring this national outrage on themselves. The ladies club final , the mens league final and now this. Its time sport got a chance and sportsmanship is missing from many Tyrone clubs it appears. Lets hope Croke park acts this time because we dont need clubs like this involved in our sport.

georgelee (Louth) - Posts: 523 - 24/01/2012 20:19:46    1099817

Seems 3 Derrytresk players grabbed their opponents by the testicles at the pre match match handshakes, kick them out and ban them. there is no place in the GAA for these types of people

Shin_kicker (Dublin) - Posts: 50 - 24/01/2012 20:28:28    1099827

The Road...
I dont think you get it. This was a small routine row that we often see in the GAA. People love rows and talking about rows. They pretend they don't. If a row is expected it adds to the size of the crowd.
The GAA is tribal... sport is tribal and this is one of the manifestations.... young men and testosterone. In this instance add in bad fences and lack of stewarding.
There are other sides to this seen all over the world.......
Did you ever hear of a sport called SOCCER where they have to segregate supporters, build walls and fences and put in moats?
Were you ever in the Square at around 3am on Sunday morning and what might you see there?

Its all for the same reason. Young men get excited betimes.

I am not passing any judgement.... its just how it is.

BIG SACKS (Tyrone) - Posts: 1681 - 24/01/2012 20:33:32    1099830

'Seems 3 Derrytresk players grabbed their opponents by the testicles at the pre match match handshakes, kick them out and ban them. there is no place in the GAA for these types of people'

Is there any proof of this? Is it caught on camera? Or is it only the word of one member of Dromid's back room team? These claims are completely unsubstantiated

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/01/2012 20:36:01    1099831

A lot of Louth lads on here mouthing off and saying Tyrone teams bringing shame on the GAA , the most high profile indecent of a disgraceful scene involved Louth fans attacking a County referee in one of the most important games in the GAA calendar the Leinster final in front of Thousands and a world wide audience to boot , so people in glass house's should butt out and so should the southern media who seem to be leading this witch hunt and let those in charge of running the game weigh up any evidence and dish out the appropriate punishment. Tir Eoghain abú.

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 24/01/2012 20:40:52    1099834

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v954WVzDfMg&feature=youtu.be

pretty clear in this video that the tyrone team were over the top, subs jumping over the barrier is ridiculous, until bans are handed out for violence, what is going to stop the likes of this?? It wont happen but if the GAA kicked them out I think the majority of people would agree.........i reckon Clonbur will be the most supported Junior team ever in a Junior final!!!!

mayoman007 (Mayo) - Posts: 159 - 24/01/2012 20:46:32    1099843

watching the video on youtube and alot of credit should be given to the Derrytresk fans who prevented others from entering the fray ! something that seems to have gone a miss in this sorry mess, it was all over in a blink of an eye with both teams at fault . Goodluck Derrytresk in the final it will be the biggest miscarriage of justice since the Birmingham six and Guildford Four if they were to be denied a place in the final.

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 24/01/2012 20:55:36    1099849

Shin_kicker
County: Dublin
Posts: 50

1099827
Seems 3 Derrytresk players grabbed their opponents by the testicles at the pre match match handshakes,

that's a traditional welcome up here among the Bushes .

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 24/01/2012 21:01:18    1099859

When is the final anyway,assuming therell be one?

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 24/01/2012 21:05:35    1099862

I have watched the video clip 10 times and whilst it is quite clear there are a number of subs and supporters from Derrytresk who entered the pitch and got involved where they didn't belong, I'm not sure if any of them did much. The video evidence is very inconclusive unless there is another camera angle. That said if the evidence shows that Derrytresk's behaviour was completely unacceptable then the ultimate sanction should be considered.

I am a little surprised that the Kerry club have called for Derrytresk to be removed from the competition, Kerry teams and supporters always pride themselves on being good losers. At the end of the day, the Kerry club had 2 men sent off and their player started the major incident. It is also disappointing to note that non Ulster media and posters are jumping on the bandwagon again without all the facts being known.

MB1 (Tyrone) - Posts: 360 - 24/01/2012 21:13:35    1099867

Fortyfive
Nobody was struck by a Louth player that day in Croke Park and three men are going through the courts for pushing the ref. This looks way more serious

georgelee (Louth) - Posts: 523 - 24/01/2012 21:16:12    1099868