God I love the Dubs :)
Cute_Kerry_Hoor , 22/11/2011 at 15:30
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Fair play CKH,
Well....its a bit of craic and all....but its the fact that its all true that gives it the edge eh!!

Ah the lovely Corca Dhuibhne múinteoir keeps me on my toes and thats for sure, but I have to put up with 'Maths Magic, Bonn go Barr, Alive-O, glitter, plasticine, blu-tac, etc all over the house in fairness!!......but she is just grateful to be one of the lucky ones that managed to nab a handsome metropolitan slick Dubliner for herself!!

Two of my mates are with kerry women....Err, I mean two kerry women nabbed two of my mates aswell so you can see how much the kerry ones are fond of the Dubs!!....who could blame them!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 22/11/2011 16:11:42    1073827

1990s all the way Boys...Was only a chap in the decade but was some time for GAA, football in particular for me personally...1st day out in Croker went as a neutral to the Leinster final in '96 where Meath beat Dublin. That Meath team were some hardshaws!! Remember a row breakin out at the canal end of the Cusack and by jesus did lads get some belts, they all took them too!!...The following year was seen as a missed oppertunity for many kildare fans, It took 3 matches to seperate Kildare and Meath (A-I champs) and that fecker Jodie Devine coming off the bench to kick a points like a man possesed :(... Offaly went on to win Leinster beating a weak Meath team that had a hill of suspensions and injuries after... Was also the year that I got bitten by the kildare bug (caused some hardship ever sice tho :P) Then '98..... awww '98......Always be a great memories but it still hurts, like that gf that you just never got over, the one that got away haha.... Such a class football team, bar Graven (14 yard free specialist??..Passanger).....To beat the previous three A-I winners in a row was unbelievable but to come up so short was devestating!!

Regarding the standard of football I dont think it was any better or worse than the 00' I think it was a combination that trumped the naughties... The referees let play carry on much like the hurling at the minute, lads gave and took as good as they got... Croke Park had a smaller capacity 60,000 which created unbelievable atmospheres!!! Bar Dublin and Cork being their now or the A-I finals the place is always empty and fans are also seated together which reduces chants etc...

Anyway there it is, sorry for all the nostalgia :)

redsash (Kildare) - Posts: 31 - 22/11/2011 16:14:26    1073834

Cute_Kerry_Hoor

Well man... to be honest - That's all I'm being... Honest.

The great Kerry teams never needed a back door to reach finals and win All Irelands... This current set up did... and that back door success has hid a few frailties - there's a lot of talk about Kerry bottle when it's really been put up to them.

Listen I'm just an old school type of guy - I believe in a true All Ireland title and have done long before 2011… I won't ever, ever take the same pleasure in winning an All Ireland through the back door - it's just not the same. I'm sorry if that upsets people for some reason… I'm not trying to wind anyone up here... I've been going to games from the early 80's - and since the back door was introduced it's lost its intensity in the early stages… the Province Championships are a shadow of their former selves and the format has only benefited the better teams. All the evidence is there…

As I said if you want a pat on the back then as you can see - I've given Kerry plenty of compliments - why wouldn't I... but this back door business... It's taken a lot of the true glory from the title of All Ireland Champion and I think has elevated this current Kerry set up to a position that would have been unwarranted in any other previous decade. There would be far less gold in the Kerry lad's sock drawer.

That's just my opinion... I can understand why you'd think differently... but don't forget - I'm the impartial/objective one here... it's not my county that's benefited greatly from it in the previous decade.

JinxyPoop (UK) - Posts: 1162 - 22/11/2011 16:24:40    1073846

Jaysus lads.. there's some amount of petty name calling coming from the culchies... pathetic stuff really.

Gigeor talks about debate and starts a post off by calling me a liar and a hypocrite for speaking the truth as I see it... I spoke to you about this a few months ago... this very topic. I havent changed my stance and I will NEVER change my stance.

Maybe you're just a very cynical type of chap Gigeor but I'm only being honest... if you want to think of me as a liar then ther's nothing I can do about it.

For the life of me I dont understand why you'd make such a baseless comment - incredibly arrogant of you to do so - I'm giving my honest opinion..

JinxyPoop (UK) - Posts: 1162 - 22/11/2011 16:41:39    1073855

Jinx you fail to see that if the backdoor existed in the 80s then that great Kerry team would have probably come back and won the 83 All-Ireland. Or better still, what about that Cork team of the 70s. They would have benefited too, I have no doubt about that. In the modern era it was clear that Tyrone and Kerry were peaking for August/September as they knew they had a second chance. And if there was not a second chance I have no doubt they would have been on the ball straight away and would have won the All-Ireland anyway. Simply because they were the two best teams. And Tyrone would still have probably beaten us!! lol

But I do hear what you are saying, it's just irrelevant in my eyes. If ye were to lose in Leinster next year but go on to beat us in the Final, you will have changed your tune, and you would hear no excuses from us down here.

Also drop the misconception of Kerry lacking bottle. Take credit yerselves for beating us fairly, don't base it on a myth hyped by the Northern media.

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 22/11/2011 16:42:10    1073856

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Cute_Kerry_Hoor

Well man... to be honest - That's all I'm being... Honest.

The great Kerry teams never needed a back door to reach finals and win All Irelands... This current set up did... and that back door success has hid a few frailties - there's a lot of talk about Kerry bottle when it's really been put up to them.

Listen I'm just an old school type of guy - I believe in a true All Ireland title and have done long before 2011… I won't ever, ever take the same pleasure in winning an All Ireland through the back door - it's just not the same. I'm sorry if that upsets people for some reason… I'm not trying to wind anyone up here... I've been going to games from the early 80's - and since the back door was introduced it's lost its intensity in the early stages… the Province Championships are a shadow of their former selves and the format has only benefited the better teams. All the evidence is there…

As I said if you want a pat on the back then as you can see - I've given Kerry plenty of compliments - why wouldn't I... but this back door business... It's taken a lot of the true glory from the title of All Ireland Champion and I think has elevated this current Kerry set up to a position that would have been unwarranted in any other previous decade. There would be far less gold in the Kerry lad's sock drawer.

That's just my opinion... I can understand why you'd think differently... but don't forget - I'm the impartial/objective one here... it's not my county that's benefited greatly from it in the previous decade.


Nail in your coffin there mate!! :)

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 22/11/2011 16:43:51    1073858

Well not really man... when you think about it.

JinxyPoop (UK) - Posts: 1162 - 22/11/2011 16:54:32    1073868

But I do hear what you are saying, it's just irrelevant in my eyes. If ye were to lose in Leinster next year but go on to beat us in the Final, you will have changed your tune, and you would hear no excuses from us down here.

Jaysus man... I wouldnt count on that if I was you. I'd say exactly what I'm saying now... and that's where your argument and logic behind your argument falls flat. I do not want to benefit from a structure that I see as unfair and has ruined the provincial championships. The very reason why I fell in love with this game as a supporter (80's and 90's Leinster Championships were just special times as a supporter - incredible battles) Its a shame for upcoming young fans not to feel that sort of intensity during the early stages of the summer anymore - our games would be all the better for it. There was never talk of this Championships league format stuff - when the provinces were so intense. They were more than enough... no need for change.

The problem is - you'll just have to trust me on that.

JinxyPoop (UK) - Posts: 1162 - 22/11/2011 17:25:53    1073887

Jinxy when Dublin win an AI through the qualifier route, see how you feel then is all I can suggest. As that has never happened before, I don't see how you can make those comments about tarnished All Irelands, they are the baseless comments in my view

I just can't believe a GAA fan true to their colours would bemoan or tarnish their team an AI just because they didn't win a provincial along the way, the days of having to be provincial champs in order to be AI champs are long gone

And I seriously doubt your reaction to Dublin's AI win this year would have been much different if we had won Leinster final against Dublin that time

I apologise for the outburst, I'm a realist, not a cynical fellow, well at least not deliberately, most of the time, ahem ahem

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 22/11/2011 17:34:37    1073895

haha fair enough Jinxy, you seem steadfast on this one, I respect that. Each to their own and all that.

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 22/11/2011 17:35:47    1073896

would bemoan or tarnish their team an AI just because they didn't win a provincial along the way
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gigoer,

Please read comments regarding red haired step children for precise analogy in this regard!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus...Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 22/11/2011 17:41:59    1073902

Id rather win it through the provincial route,but I wouldnt say no the an All Ireland medal,no matter which way we were to go.I think I heard John Henderson say that when Kilkenny last lost a Leinster game,there wasnt the same buzz or enthusiasm throughout the county for the team,even though they got to the final that year.
One thing i will say,when cork lost the munster final this year Id say they were fairly crushed.One is fine,but Id say they really wanted to win the title the "proper way"this year.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 22/11/2011 17:50:59    1073908

Whatever Snuf

Jinxy in relation to your comments above regarding Champions League structures etc, may I ask do you support any soccer or rubgy team?

Whether you do or not, do you see any derision of a soccer team winning the Champions League/European Cup/World Cup or a rugby team winning a Heineken Cup/ 6 Nations/World Cup having lost a group/pool game?

If not, why apply it to GAA? Just for historical reasons or something? Just curious...

gigoer (Wexford) - Posts: 1998 - 22/11/2011 17:52:07    1073909

You can conceivably win the champions league without winning a game (if it goes to a shootout in the final).Very improbable,but can still happen.

TheRoad (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 22/11/2011 18:09:33    1073925

I think the All-Ireland winners of 2000 Kerry, Galway, Armagh and Tyrone were all great champions and all were involved in some great matches. The backdoor was a great addition with the likes of Fermanagh, Sligo, Wexford and Down featuring on the national stage. Agree that the hurling in the 1990's was more exciting but the standard did not match up to the Kilkenny, Tipp and Cork teams of 2000.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 22/11/2011 19:48:40    1074021

The 90's was a vintage era for hurling & football. So many different counties came to the fore. Naughties was dominated by KK/Cork in the hurling and Kerry/Tyrone in the football. Not denying they werent great teams but everyone remembers the great games of the 90s

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 22/11/2011 19:54:02    1074027

For football and hurling the 90s were as good as it ever got in terms of the amount of teams challanging for honours. It really boosted the profile of the GAA throughout the country with different teams winning provincial and All-Ireland titles.

On the side issue of 'backdoor' All-Irelands.

If given a choice I'd prefer Dublin to win the All-Ireland as Leinster Champions but I wouldn't belittle any county's achievement in winning Sam/Liam. In fact there is a lot to be admired to a team picking themselves up from defeat and driving on from there to claim the All-Ireland title.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13816 - 23/11/2011 16:49:48    1074478

Id have to say the 00's simply because i'm too young to remember the 90's

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 23/11/2011 17:11:56    1074498

early 90's by a long way! the four D's Down, Donegal, Derry and Dublin! fine teams with a lot of fight! haven't seen the like since!

wile_man_sir (Donegal) - Posts: 150 - 23/11/2011 20:04:46    1074672

Lads as much as it pains me to say it , colm o rourke was probably the greatest forward of the 90's , that man was unreal he had it all, he's up there with the gooch n canavan.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 23/11/2011 20:32:15    1074694