Have to agree with Ulsterman here, those responsible for the murder of Gaddafi must be found and given the medals they deserve. They are heroes of Libya

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 23/10/2011 16:44:19    1057297

So speaks the pacifist who so despises violence and murder. They need to invent a stronger word then Hypocrite.

corkcelt (Cork) - Posts: 4388 - 23/10/2011 17:11:46    1057320

Some Pacifist. You are right corkcelt

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 23/10/2011 17:20:07    1057329

If the the murder of a tyrant prevents thousands more deaths then in that case I think it is just and right. By killing Gaddafi the conflict was ended and countless lives were saved. Sometimes murder is necessary to stop even more bloodshed, we've seen that first hand in N.I.

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 23/10/2011 17:29:13    1057338

I remember in 1988 when the two British Intelligence Agents were killed in West Belfast after they had opened fire at an IRA funeral. This was the funeral of an IRA volunteer who had been killed by Micheal Stone and MI5 in Milltown Cemetary at the funerals of one of the Gibraltar 3 a few days before. Most people who attacked the British Agents car were brave individuals who thought that the funeral was again under attack from British death squads and they surrounded the vehicle. When the Agents were disarmed they were then executed as happens in guerilla warfare BUT Margaret Thatcher and her Tory government sought revenge against the people of West Belfast and up to 50 people were charged in connection with this incident. If we are to have consistancy will the same happen to those who murdered Gadaffi? I won't hold my breath!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 23/10/2011 17:31:03    1057342

what are you on about ulsterman stay on topic please

hipster (Dublin) - Posts: 2509 - 23/10/2011 20:20:06    1057501

Ulsterman is right here.

Gadaffi should have faced the courts and been made to face up to the injustices he committed.

How can those that do not condone murder whether it be single or mass, condone what happened to Gadaffi?

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 24/10/2011 15:44:38    1057871

Sergeant_Slash - I can only go my news reports and what the people of libya are saying in the media as can you. What all all those people celebrating for so? - hiring actors or people drunk with power?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11540 - 24/10/2011 17:21:38    1057964

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Sergeant_Slash - I can only go my news reports and what the people of libya are saying in the media as can you. What all all those people celebrating for so? - hiring actors or people drunk with power?

Ok. If the BBC said it then it must be true. Must ask no questions, nor must I do some deeper research.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 24/10/2011 19:56:05    1058082

Ulsterman, have you ever seen The Big Lebowski?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 24/10/2011 20:04:02    1058089

Yew did you not know that everyone involved in the Arab Spring were actors who had been paid by NATO? Sure in the video of Gaddafi you can see the fella who played Harold Bishop in Neighbours

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2011 20:09:14    1058094

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Yew did you not know that everyone involved in the Arab Spring were actors who had been paid by NATO? Sure in the video of Gaddafi you can see the fella who played Harold Bishop in Neighbours

Dont be stupid, it was Ray Meagher, aka Alf Stewart.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 24/10/2011 20:26:06    1058114

Serious Question though. What were his crimes against his own People? We were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds (with gas supplied by the wet) but I cannot recall any mass murder of his own people allegation against Ghaddaffi. I know he was reputed to have secret police (who ever heard of such a thing) and they were rather nasty. But is that the extent of the allegations?

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/10/2011 20:26:10    1058115

Look Derryman I would not expect the sheeple i.e a person who follows their government blindly like a sheep, on this forum to understand the much bigger picture. They are so narrow-minded they take what they read and see on mainstream media as fact. I pity them more than anything because sheep are eventually led to the slaughter.

Sergeant_Slash (Cavan) - Posts: 2182 - 24/10/2011 20:31:37    1058121

The murder of Osama Bin Laden by American seals under the instruction of US President Barack Obama was as cold blooded as it comes. Nobody has taken The US and Obama to task over this unlawful act of murder in the first degree.

Gaddafi on the other hand was killed on the battle field, yes he was captured alive and alive he should have been kept, but the circumstances of his killing was nothing compared to those which led to the death of Osama Bin Laden.

America dispensed it's justice on Bin Laden similar to the way any terrorist group would do, America and indeed Brittan are two of the biggest terrorists in the world at the present minute.

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 24/10/2011 20:42:49    1058126

What were his crimes against his own people? The execution of any dissidents (or stray dogs as he called them) who dared to speak out against his regime both in Libya and abroad, firing upon those who peacefully protested against him in the past few months, sponsoring terrorism worldwide from the IRA to the Baader-Meinhof group as well as engaging in their own terrorism such as Lockerbie. How anyone can support this man is utterly ridiculous, humour me Sergeant and tell me what the bigger picture is?

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2011 20:52:05    1058135

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1058135 What were his crimes against his own people? The execution of any dissidents (or stray dogs as he called them) who dared to speak out against his regime both in Libya and abroad, firing upon those who peacefully protested against Would that be anything like a shoot to kill policy and did something like that happen in Derry one time my memory is not so good?



him in the past few months, sponsoring terrorism worldwide from the IRA to the Baader-Meinhof group as well as engaging in their own terrorism such as Lockerbie. Would that be similar at all with Arming Saddam Hussein The Taliban and even Ghadaffi himself do you think not to mention Death squads in your own country?

How anyone can support this man is utterly ridiculous, I know exactly what you mean there I know a couple of western Administrations that make me feel the same.
humour me Sergeant and tell me what the bigger picture is? I think that might be the bigger picture dont you

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/10/2011 21:15:38    1058152

And I'm the one who always tries to link events to the Troubles. Do you not think Derryman that it is clear that Gaddafi committed numerous horrific deeds against Libyan and foreign civilians? It's a simple question and there's no need to talk about the British Government, Bloody Sunday or whatever else you will use to try and justify the horrendous crimes of this man

pplocal (Tyrone) - Posts: 5878 - 24/10/2011 21:29:13    1058166

Oh I know he did and many will say that he reaped the harvest of what he sowed. How many other harvests are ripening do you think. And it was not a matter of linking the troubles it was showing what many might call Hypocrisy. I could as easily have used Kenya or indeed Chile but I thought Ireland would be more personal for all of us. If shooting people and sponsoring terrorism is a crime in Libya why is it not a crime every where else or is it simply a matter of Might being Right. and to hell with morality.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/10/2011 21:37:15    1058170

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1058166 And I'm the one who always tries to link events to the Troubles. Do you not think Derryman that it is clear that Gaddafi committed numerous horrific deeds against Libyan and foreign civilians? It's a simple question and there's no need to talk about the British Government, Bloody Sunday or whatever else you will use to try and justify the horrendous crimes of this man

There you go again PP where in that post did I try to Justify any Crimes. I merely pointed out the similarity of his crimes to the crimes of those who were his Judge Jury and ultimately executioners dont tell me that you can not see that. I did not like Ghaddafi I know what he was but he was not alone, just in the way.

derryman (Derry) - Posts: 3246 - 24/10/2011 21:47:29    1058176