S Goldrick.. Not just yourself but a lot others, i think yous are having a serious knee-jerk reaction to 1 teams tactics/style of play.. No need to change rules at all unless very mildly in some cases. i.e square ball situation created a few sticky situations over the last 2 years.. People on about Donegal destroying football, if we start to tinker with the rule book to the extent people are on about, we will destroy football. The sport evolves naturally in my opinion and its up to other teams to impose their style of play, show teams the best style for getting results... p.s some of the rule changes proposed are laughable, make game 90 mins, how innovative, how did anyone think of that.. OH, and the reasoning behind it, to tire the payers and make them think about conserving their energy... I can see the attendances at these games going through the roof with these games... as i say, knee-jerk and uncalled for..... change record please...

81DLSAM (Donegal) - Posts: 281 - 02/09/2011 09:13:52    1025260

As I said in my post this was not a reaction to Donegal but an because of the way all players are now fitter than before.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 02/09/2011 10:20:11    1025305

The full forward line should not be allowed over the half way line to defend.

2 handpasses in a row max

Not allowed to take a free/sideline backwards

Kickouts, sidelines, 45s and frees must be taken within 15 seconds of being awarded

player must leave the pitch to get treatment/the game continues during treatment


Some of these are bound to work. Pressure to get results has led to this style of game. It is not pretty but the best of both worlds is impossible.

Case and example this year: Down. Mighty and stylish footballers who were beaten off the pitch twice. Derry likewise, tried to play a bit and got nothing thanks to Kildare and Donegals swarm defenses. Roscommon, won nothing despite playing magnificent stuff at times. Mayo, won connaught and were yet again slaughtered by Kerry.

There is a long long list of teams there.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 02/09/2011 10:34:07    1025316

I'd agree that there is no need to change yet. 13 a side has been advocated by Mick O'Dwyer for over a decade now but there is just no need yet. Negative teams will always be around but surely any manager looking at Donegal's Ultra- negative performance the last day will say that your chances of winning if you only have 1 attack in the last 30 minutes are dramatically reduced. For that reason we will see the end of this Donegal team's recent performances soon enough and a toned down version next year. Please God I am right because it was vomit.

As for the handpass, it would be downright nuts to enforce a rule disallowing 2 consecutive handpasses. Has anyone on here played the game. It wouldn't work. It would destroy the game. It would never have worked throughout the last 50 years. There's nothing wrong with the handpass. It's the flaming eejits going out onto the pitch and who use it to waste time for 70 minutes because they have no fullforward line or half forward line within 100yards of the opponents goal that are the problem. Take away the handpass and McGuinness would probably have set up his team to kick pass the ball from Goalie to corner back for an hour and 10 minutes.

The alteration I think we should make is that Donegal should be allowed have two or three extra players over every oter team which they should be forced to play within their opponents 45. Then maybe we'ld see some scoring.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 02/09/2011 10:39:40    1025318

Listen i am no hugh fan of Mcg tactics but to say they did not work is just downright wrong. Donegal won ulster and got to a all ireland semi and were a kick from final. Now considering donegal did not win a championship game in 3 years i think not only did it work but it has worked very well. Also the over the top critism of McG is uncalled for. Its his first year. Usually your first job is to install belief to players and he has done this. So yes hopefully he expands donegals game, as he has siad he will. And this is a reaction to the semi so dont fool yourself. One last point. The nature of the comments on RTE has to stop. These are amature players who give their time for nothing.

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 02/09/2011 12:57:03    1025436

The Donegal bus was seen leaving Dublin with 14 players in the back and one up front!!

ballybannongael (Down) - Posts: 547 - 02/09/2011 12:57:52    1025439

Extraman,

He brought his tactics to an extreme level in the semifinal and they did not work. They did not win, they did not create a scoring opportunity during the last 30 minutes, half of which they were 2 points down and a man up. Those tactics will never work.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 02/09/2011 13:54:39    1025485

how about let managers chose whatever tactics they want!! If Dublin were good enough they would have beaten the Donegal tactics much more easily

cboyle92 (Down) - Posts: 184 - 02/09/2011 14:10:29    1025505

Ok kingdomcome your suggesting that only one county in ireland will have the right tactics all year. Every other performance and game is secondary. Please dont be so naive and childlike. Donegal were more defensive in the semi because this was the best team they met all year by a distance and it so nearly worked. Im not saying i 100% agree with the tactics but please think outside the box. If your telling me that first round defeat 3 years in a row and then winning ulster and coming close to a all ireland final is not a successfull year then you must be relates to that other man stuck in the past from kerry, or you work for RTE. If so im sorry for your troubles

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 02/09/2011 14:40:59    1025545

Also dublin were a man down for last 12 mins.

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 02/09/2011 14:42:07    1025550

13 a side!!!!........Oh no, now Dungall will only be able to get 12 people behind the ball!!!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 02/09/2011 14:48:42    1025556

The Sunday Game Live attracts 934,000 viewers
29 August 2011

The Sunday Game Live attracts a peak audience of 934,000 viewers on RTÉ Two, Sunday 28 August

The All Ireland Football Championship Semi-Final between Dublin and Donegal attracted a peak audience of 934,000* viewers on RTÉ Two.

The Sunday Game Live programme saw 700,000 viewers on average tuning in to the full duration of RTÉ's coverage of the game.

Source: Nielsen
* One minute peak (Live + VOSDAL)
** Programme average (15:26 -17:34) (Live + VOSDAL)


Yeah people are really swicjing off and no one is going to bother goining to games. I think the attendance was 81,400

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 02/09/2011 14:59:26    1025565

He can chose whatever tactics he wants as can any manager. But I and the other 900,000 shocked viewers on RTE have the right to say that we will chose the next time that don't want to see it again. And we will turn over.

He didn't use those tactics to the same extent in Ulster because the obviously scored a few points and goals. He changed in the QF and barely scraped past Kildare getting only 1-08. However during the Semi Final he brought it to a whole new level and in the end it was an error of judgement because if you don't attack then you can't score and if you're 2 points behind then you need to score. It's a fundamental anybody should be able to grasp.

As for 14 men. Connolly was sent off in 58th minute. Game was blown up in 73rd minute, Donegal's last score was in the 43rd minute. So they played for 15 minutes against 14 men and couldn't even muster 1 wide.

thykingdomcome (Kerry) - Posts: 1206 - 02/09/2011 16:15:47    1025644

THE EXTRAMAN
County: Donegal
Posts: 377

1025565
The Sunday Game Live attracts 934,000 viewers
29 August 2011

The Sunday Game Live attracts a peak audience of 934,000 viewers on RTÉ Two, Sunday 28 August

The All Ireland Football Championship Semi-Final between Dublin and Donegal attracted a peak audience of 934,000* viewers on RTÉ Two.

The Sunday Game Live programme saw 700,000 viewers on average tuning in to the full duration of RTÉ's coverage of the game.

Source: Nielsen
* One minute peak (Live + VOSDAL)
** Programme average (15:26 -17:34) (Live + VOSDAL)


Yeah people are really swicjing off and no one is going to bother goining to games. I think the attendance was 81,400


I think that has more to do with the Dubs being on than the attraction of watching Donegal. Had they won I wouldn't have watched the final.

thistle_harps (UK) - Posts: 879 - 02/09/2011 17:01:03    1025697

thykingdomcome
County: Kerry
Posts: 1152

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He can chose whatever tactics he wants as can any manager. But I and the other 900,000 shocked viewers on RTE have the right to say that we will chose the next time that don't want to see it again. And we will turn over.

He didn't use those tactics to the same extent in Ulster because the obviously scored a few points and goals. He changed in the QF and barely scraped past Kildare getting only 1-08. However during the Semi Final he brought it to a whole new level and in the end it was an error of judgement because if you don't attack then you can't score and if you're 2 points behind then you need to score. It's a fundamental anybody should be able to grasp.

As for 14 men. Connolly was sent off in 58th minute. Game was blown up in 73rd minute, Donegal's last score was in the 43rd minute. So they played for 15 minutes against 14 men and couldn't even muster 1 wide.

Well said ......

tomaoo7 (Dublin) - Posts: 5896 - 02/09/2011 17:41:29    1025730

That well may be kingdom but you are still not looking at the entiew season which was a success. No one can deny this. Anyway the thing that is annoying me is not the argument over tactics its the over the top reaction by the rte panelists. Remember these guys get paid very well for turning up and giving fair views on the game. At the minute its a compitation between spillane and brolly who can come out with the most shocking pharse. And dont get me started on tony the rabbite davies

THE EXTRAMAN (Donegal) - Posts: 554 - 02/09/2011 17:44:05    1025731

As it stands there are teams playing all sorts of tactics. Thats fair enough. I have nothing against Kildare or Donegal or Dublin putting 10 or 12 players behind the ball as they do. Thats their business, its all fair. Noone is breaking any rules (except referees I might add who don't do their jobs). So its fair game, whatever tactics you want. My point is just that there are too many players at such a high fitness level that more and more games are suffering in quality because of congestion all over the field. Players can get to where the ball is in no time, meaning that there are 10 players onto a break no matter where on the field it is. Reducing the number of players to 13 would still ensure that there is good competitive football. But it would limit the ability of teams to crowd midfield or crowd their defence, reduce the gang tackle and the scrum over every breaking ball. It would not eliminate it, but it would really improve things.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2573 - 02/09/2011 21:50:12    1025886