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What worries me most is the lack of mobility in this Tyrone team. Looking at Kildare yesterday, they looked fast and mobile and this is where we are going to be found wanting.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/06/2011 14:30:09    948693

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There is no way we can moan about the ref yesterday. We would have won had we played ball and had a bit of manners. Jinxsy could have got the line, Galligan sailed close to the wind too with yellows, Darren Hughes, my fav player, lashed out also. Young lads mouthing at Tyrone men with 3 all Ireland medals, we need to concentrate on ball more. Tyrone are done, and with a full positive ball in focus attitude, we should have won. Lads chawing the ref also, is it any wonder we may have lost marginal decisions. I am a proud Monaghan man, but we have no discipline, not from county board, even refs in the county get unnatural grief. Time to look at ourselves and learn a bit if class like we had in the 80's team. Yesterday we were a disgrace, a bit like Dublin under Paul Caffrey. We need to clean up our manners like they have under Gilroy

carcracker (Monaghan) - Posts: 186 - 06/06/2011 14:56:23    948725

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What a joke you all are - Tyrone people inparticular have the nerve to say Monaghan are the dirtiest team in Ireland. They don't look at themselves obviously and the antics of some of their players yesterday. I really hope the CCCC look at Owen Mulligan and ban him for the rest of the year. He doesn't deserve to be on a football pitch. I really hope Tyrone get beat and out of the championship very very quickly. They are a disgrace

supp01 (Monaghan) - Posts: 156 - 06/06/2011 15:35:06    948771

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Obviously most of the people leaving comments here werent at the game and didnt see half the stuff that was going on behind the camera.

Kerryrowz - If i were you i would worry about sorting some of your dirty players like paul galvin and Tomas O Se out as you will probably loose out on another all ireland this year with O se banned again. Probably wont be the last of it either.
Rubywalsh - Certain dublin players havent been angels in the past.
tir_eoghain_abu - Stephen gollogly was lying on the ground injured, why did philip jordan keep going over hitting and pulling at him when he was waiting to get treated.

We are far from the dirtiest team in ireland, we are actually at top of the fair play during the league. We have cleaned up our act a lot in the last few years since that horrible game playing Derry a few years ago. Yesterday conditions were horrible with people slipping all over the place. There was lots of dirty tackling going on and not just from monaghan players, cavanagh, mulligan and plenty of tyrones older players were picking on plenty of the younger and smaller inexperienced monaghan lads trying to scare them from the start. Dick clerkin deserved to be sent off, he ruined the rest of the game for us. Cavanagh should have walked before the end of the game as he got plenty of warnings. Dessie probably deserved to walk but stood up and admitted it before mulligan tried to take it further by starting the scuffle and also hit colin walshe. Did no one see any of that? The refeeree hadnt a clue and we got no favours from him. Most counties have had dirty incidents in games so its unfair to say were the dirtiest of the lot! It was just a bad day and nothing went in our favour.
Hopefully we will have a good run in the qualifiers (even though were already missing dessie for the first game) and prove that we are a good team that have had nothing but bad luck over the last few years and we definetly desreve to go further than we have. I always was a tyrone fan in the past but after yesterday i hope someone puts a stop to them soon, would love to see them get hammered again this year by dublin.

Muineachain76 (Monaghan) - Posts: 180 - 06/06/2011 15:37:27    948778

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hey Carcracker wouldnt go as far to say we were a disgrace more stupid than anything as we certainly did ourselves no favours mouthing away to the ref and Tyrone players particularly in those last few minutes when with a bit of savy we could have taken something from this game. Dont know if this is inexperience young lads being too pumped up as it was a big problem under Banty as well. Sad thing is your right Tyrone are not the force of old still quality players but their legs are gone, if we had gone down to 14 players against their 05 team we would have been heavily beaten out the gate instead they let us back into it towards the finish and cooler heads could have rescued that one so might well be a missed opportunity yesterday.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1912 - 06/06/2011 15:39:23    948785

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Murfman
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948778 Obviously most of the people leaving comments here werent at the game and didnt see half the stuff that was going on behind the camera.

Kerryrowz - If i were you i would worry about sorting some of your dirty players like paul galvin and Tomas O Se out as you will probably loose out on another all ireland this year with O se banned again. Probably wont be the last of it either.
Rubywalsh - Certain dublin players havent been angels in the past.
tir_eoghain_abu - Stephen gollogly was lying on the ground injured, why did philip jordan keep going over hitting and pulling at him when he was waiting to get treated.

We are far from the dirtiest team in ireland, we are actually at top of the fair play during the league. We have cleaned up our act a lot in the last few years since that horrible game playing Derry a few years ago. Yesterday conditions were horrible with people slipping all over the place. There was lots of dirty tackling going on and not just from monaghan players, cavanagh, mulligan and plenty of tyrones older players were picking on plenty of the younger and smaller inexperienced monaghan lads trying to scare them from the start. Dick clerkin deserved to be sent off, he ruined the rest of the game for us. Cavanagh should have walked before the end of the game as he got plenty of warnings. Dessie probably deserved to walk but stood up and admitted it before mulligan tried to take it further by starting the scuffle and also hit colin walshe. Did no one see any of that? The refeeree hadnt a clue and we got no favours from him. Most counties have had dirty incidents in games so its unfair to say were the dirtiest of the lot! It was just a bad day and nothing went in our favour.
Hopefully we will have a good run in the qualifiers (even though were already missing dessie for the first game) and prove that we are a good team that have had nothing but bad luck over the last few years and we definetly desreve to go further than we have. I always was a tyrone fan in the past but after yesterday i hope someone puts a stop to them soon, would love to see them get hammered again this year by dublin.

You are correct in that Mone took his punishment and accepted the decision with grace. Mulligan should not have got involved in it at all. However, in relation to him chinning Walshe, can you tell me why he did? I know exactly what he did to earn a slap in the mouth and if he done it to me or any other man worth his salt he would have got the same. I can't see how Monaghan can really complain about the ref. McManus produced some tasty scores but got some very handy frees. I accept that most teams get a handy free now and again, but it all goes back to the point that Monaghan scored 2 from play. To suggest that this was because Tyrone fouled all the time is ludicrous. I would love however if just one Monaghan fan can stand up and say what Wlashe did to Mugsy before he slapped him!!

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 06/06/2011 15:56:33    948823

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supp01
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948771 What a joke you all are - Tyrone people inparticular have the nerve to say Monaghan are the dirtiest team in Ireland. They don't look at themselves obviously and the antics of some of their players yesterday. I really hope the CCCC look at Owen Mulligan and ban him for the rest of the year. He doesn't deserve to be on a football pitch. I really hope Tyrone get beat and out of the championship very very quickly. They are a disgrace

Go and catch yourself on would ya! Ban him for the rest of the year? For what? He clocked Walshe and deserves a four-week ban because he should have been sent-off. Nothing more than that. And to say Tyrone are a disgrace just shows that Monaghan can't take a beating! Tyrone are no angels, no successful team in the history of the GAA are. But they have 3 All-Irelands because they have far more class than Monaghan. If you are going to ban players for throwing a punch, Monaghan would not be able to field a team!

paddywack09 (Tyrone) - Posts: 150 - 06/06/2011 16:00:47    948827

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CANT BELIEVE THIS THREAD.
it is obvious that some of you were not at the game.
Tyrone were far more cynical
Tyrone just seemed to do most of it off the ball so you arm chair critics didnt see half of it.
look at at the stats.....
Tyrone conceeded a whopping 37 frees and got 8 yellow cards
Monaghan conceeded only 23 frees and got 6 yellow cards.(2 red)
i thought Tyrone used the experience and cuteness to wind up the Monaghan youger players.
there was only one dirthy team on show yesterday and it was the team that finished top of the fair play league 2010/11.

hogoboss (Monaghan) - Posts: 617 - 06/06/2011 16:28:05    948859

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there was only one dirthy team on show yesterday and it was the team that finished top of the fair play league 2010/11.


That's that settled then.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13837 - 06/06/2011 16:49:14    948887

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hogoboss
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Nice one, I admire your honesty, could do with a few more people like you on these boards, good lad!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/06/2011 16:59:37    948900

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Hugoboss - what league is the 2010/11 league cause all leagues are played in the one year now???

supp01 (Monaghan) - Posts: 156 - 06/06/2011 17:08:52    948920

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All this talk of teams being "dirty" is rubbish. What do they not wash the jerseys or something ?
Hate the term. Please make note posters and not use it again.

On the game itself, hardly much to inspire. No wonder RTE neglect the Ulster campionship in their schedules, for too long its served up turd football (with the rare execption)
Would have likd to see Monaghan try something different, as the attack lacks well an attacking edge. Throw Benny Mc Kenna or Darren Hughes on the square and lump the ball in.

Finlay to the forty, Clerkin on the win, proper target man, Lennon and McAdam midfield.

Yours In Sport,
Joseff (Back on HS)

joseff (Louth) - Posts: 964 - 06/06/2011 17:13:22    948926

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Can we all not just move on - this is sounding like the time Derry and Monaghan met and it was all blew out of proportion and this is the same - To be honest there was three bad tackles in the game Dessie Mone on Jordon, Kevin Hughes on Donal Morgan and Owen Mulligan on Colin Walshe off the ball.
The bad referee made the game look worse then it was - Simply Ulster Council got their dicision wrong in changing the referee for the game - No ref should be appointed to cover two championship games one after another.. Now roll on the Qualifiers and move on...

supp01 (Monaghan) - Posts: 156 - 06/06/2011 17:15:59    948929

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Just wondering what would have happened here? Their number 10 Stephen Gollogly hit out a couple of times at Philip Jordan. When the referee went to consult the linesman Monaghan substitited him and Jordan got a yellow card.

Clever tactics never heard or seen it happen before but surely something should of happened to him was he not already on a yellow card.As for jordan to get yellow in the finish up of it was a joke.Is the ref not able to issue a red card to a player when he is off the pitch...

DUB1 (Dublin) - Posts: 5583 - 06/06/2011 18:01:57    948962

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Yesterday's conditions were atrocious for the game, greasy surface, constant rain, therefore any close competitive game will appear "dirty". The ball tends to spend more time "out of hand" than in it, therefore there will be several 50/50's & downright doggedness to win the ball. Every GAA person, would want their team to compete for the ball, in such circumstance.
Yes, there were some blows/tackles, that should'nt have went in, but that's GAA life, these things happen reguarly in games. If conditions were favourable yesterday, that game could well have been a cracker!

Monaghan Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 444 - 06/06/2011 18:38:34    949021

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The free kicks that Tyrone got were every bit as handy as the frees awarded to Monaghan, thats just the way the game is now. It's the same for everyone. Every time a Monaghan player looked like getting away from his man, Tyrone fouled, resulting in a high number of their scores from the dead ball. Fair enough the conditions were terrible, the ref wasn't great, he didn't get any help from the line or the umpires, but how did they missed two incidents involving Mulligan?

redandblackgaa (Tyrone) - Posts: 251 - 06/06/2011 19:00:36    949045

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did i miss something yesterday was there someone killed on the pitch NO, it was a hard hitting,dirty at times from both sides,game played in terrible conditions,both teams first game in championship and they were fired up,a bit too much at times but thats football,best of luck to tyrone,and hopefully we settle down and get a good run in the qualifiers,and just to clarify something one messy game by no means makes us the dirtiest team in ireland...

patsy100 (Monaghan) - Posts: 10 - 06/06/2011 19:29:37    949071

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Was at the match yesterday and saw what went on. there was former monaghan players and a former successfull Monaghan manager sitting in our area and they were shouting loud an clear forget about the nonsence lads and play football.I honestly dont think that we were ever in with a chance of beating Tyrone yest as they have a very big motive to proceed further this year and we have a very young team. they only way that young players are going to get noticed is to play good clean football and sorry but that cannot be said about some of our players yest. Tyrone are too long of the tooth to bow to that kind of behaviour. I hate naming amateur players but I cannot see what Colin Walshe was goin to gain by mouthing off to Stevie O Neill. O Neill dident need any further incentives to further cruicify us. If people watched the match on BBC at 7 yest eve it showed further what went on. put it behind as a bad day at the office when wrong decisions were made. the only way Monaghan will win anything is to concentrate on the football. thats what people travel and pay in to see.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 921 - 06/06/2011 20:35:02    949137

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Border gael it was kieran duffy not colin walshe who was mouthing off to Stephen O'Neill, which was just naivete on his part to think someone as experienced as O'Neill would be put off by it . I also believe that the reason why the monaghan players were mouthing off to the ref so much is because of the way they get away with so much in club games where they seem to me to be untouchable from being punished by the referees. IMHO I think both teams were as bad as each other but that tyrone were just that bit cuter in the hits which is something teams need to be successful at the top level in the modern game.

Pure_full_hi (Monaghan) - Posts: 74 - 06/06/2011 21:24:45    949201

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Mulligan still taking a touch for hitting Walshe. If someone walked past you and hit you a slap in the crown jewels how would you react?

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 06/06/2011 21:43:36    949225

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