thurlesblues, when you assess the 5 All-Ireland's, it's even worse. The first was won before "the famine". The second was only won, against the backdrop of the Keady scandal. The third was down to a flukey free that went in the net. The fourth was down to a suspect referee. It's about time Tipp started to win something on merit. I also think 'it would be good for the game', if a Tipp club could win the club All-Ireland again, Tipp being the 'home of hurling' and all.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4321 - 25/03/2011 21:15:36    896578

thurlesblues, when you assess the 5 All-Ireland's, it's even worse. The first was won before "the famine". The second was only won, against the backdrop of the Keady scandal. The third was down to a flukey free that went in the net. The fourth was down to a suspect referee. It's about time Tipp started to win something on merit. I also think 'it would be good for the game', if a Tipp club could win the club All-Ireland again, Tipp being the 'home of hurling' and all.
Pope_Benedict , 25/03/2011 at 21:15

you must have been out of the country in September 2010 Benedict!! aha ha!! You were probably on holidays with the Kilkenny lads and then you probably came back for the challenge game between Tipp and Galway u21s the week after!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 25/03/2011 21:20:24    896582

The third was down to a flukey free that went in the net.

Was that the one we won by 24 points Pope?

the dodgy ref was the game in 09 Ithink you have amnesia you need to go to see a few games rather than reading about them Il get you 2 tickets to see Tipp in September if you like

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 25/03/2011 21:23:13    896583

I also think 'it would be good for the game', if a Tipp club could win the club All-Ireland again, Tipp being the 'home of hurling' and all.

no Benedict this team needs to avoid burnout and concentrate on the important All Irelands. You can have your club championships for breakfast wel concentrate on the big one!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 25/03/2011 21:25:41    896585

hey Benedict are you from Galway ? we could make a necklace of All Ireland medals for you if you have a chain big enough to hold them!

thurlesblues (Tipperary) - Posts: 4475 - 25/03/2011 21:30:19    896587

look it's simple, to be good a football you need speed, strength and skill

charlotted (Leitrim) - Posts: 598 - 26/03/2011 08:41:09    896603

With the modern training methods do you think it will be harder or easier for the traditionally weaker counties to make a brake through??

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2011 12:08:35    896644

Good question Hag. I would suggest easier to be honest, it may allow those who are less skillful to fill a bit of the gap in terms of strength and speed. Before the recent emphasis on weights etc those weaker counties simply could not compete in all aspects of the game. However, now it is easier for weaker counties to play a game based around strength and speed and perhaps cause the bigger counties a bit more difficulty..

ACtribe (Galway) - Posts: 401 - 26/03/2011 14:16:11    896682

The injury rate in inter-county GAA nowadays has sky-rocketed and I believe that modern training methods is one of the main causes. Back in the 80's, the vast majority of injuries were as a result of a collision on the field of play. Occasionally you would hear of a player being out with something like a hamstring injury or groin strain, but not very often. Nowadays it is common for county teams to be missing 4 or 5 first-choice players because of injuries due to wear-and-tear. It is because the training is too intense and the players never get a proper break. Also, the emphasis on strength, stamina and conditioning has led to a decline in the basic skills of gaelic football. It is shocking to see how many inter-county footballers cannot deliver an accurate foot-pass or kick an easy point when the opportunity arises.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1037 - 26/03/2011 15:21:40    896701

ACtribe:

Was kinda my thinking on it too I believe that they can more easily compete on a physical and fitness level but to win anything will need the skill aswell. I might get shot down for this again but clare took advantage of this the broke the mould with their training when the won all-irelands and played a physical fast game granted they had several very skillful and top class hurlers but as a team on paper would not seem to be the the strongest.

The opposite to that would be a succession of Galway teams allways had skilfull hurlers but lacked the physicality.
It kinda the same with football the likes of Armagh took the physicality to a new level and teams copied them..... in terms of if this is a change for the better for both sports I'm not sure.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2011 15:27:14    896703

Gaillimh_Abu:

Good point about injuries aswell I'm sure the training methods have a lot to do with the amount of injuries these days their nearly training to the braking point maybe why too counties need much bigger squads these days there was a time when you would only see subs if a player was playing badly or got busted.... but I would say that in the past also that many players would just have played through injuries too.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2011 15:38:14    896710

Read Bernard Flynn in that book Voices from Croke Park.

Hip replacement before 50 as a result of playing with injections etc. Absolute madness because he wouldn't say no.

sam57 (Louth) - Posts: 1502 - 26/03/2011 16:26:50    896741

True enough I suppose with advances in this area's physio's now know the damage that can be done.

I mean concussion would have been heard of before for example.

Hag_and_Cheese (Tipperary) - Posts: 6103 - 26/03/2011 16:45:07    896748

Gaillimh_Abu
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896701 The injury rate in inter-county GAA nowadays has sky-rocketed and I believe that modern training methods is one of the main causes. Back in the 80's, the vast majority of injuries were as a result of a collision on the field of play. Occasionally you would hear of a player being out with something like a hamstring injury or groin strain, but not very often. Nowadays it is common for county teams to be missing 4 or 5 first-choice players because of injuries due to wear-and-tear. It is because the training is too intense and the players never get a proper break. Also, the emphasis on strength, stamina and conditioning has led to a decline in the basic skills of gaelic football. It is shocking to see how many inter-county footballers cannot deliver an accurate foot-pass or kick an easy point when the opportunity arises.

I believe the increase in injuries is due to the extra workload players have to put up with, club players as well.
The ability to rest just isnt there anymore, if we were professionals we would have that rest but the fact is most players work at least 9-5 and most probably more.
In the space of 3 weeks i will have played 6 matches and trained 6 nights, all the little injuries are never getting a chance to heal and are now mounting up.

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 28/03/2011 08:30:21    897438

In relation to the increase injuries question I wonder does anyone have any real evidence to back up the suggestion that the modern methods of training have anything to do with it. I am not saying it doesn't but the reality is that in the last 30 years the coverage of the sport has increased by such a rate that we now see/read/hear about every single injury/twinge that a player has. I am sure that there were similar types of injuries over the years but due to the fact that medical treatment has advanced so much over recent years injuries that would have ended peoples careers are now treatable, therefore we hear more about them.

I also feel that many players wear inappropriate footwear for playing the sports and this contributes to the increase in knee/ankle injuries.. Gaelic football in particular has a high impact level no matter what level the game is at and given that I think that the likes of blades do not give adequate support for players. They are soccer boots designed specifically for that sport. I know of some clubs/counties who have banned their players wearing them because of this.

RangerDanger (Armagh) - Posts: 101 - 29/03/2011 12:17:11    898427

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I also feel that many players wear inappropriate footwear for playing the sports and this contributes to the increase in knee/ankle injuries.. Gaelic football in particular has a high impact level no matter what level the game is at and given that I think that the likes of blades do not give adequate support for players. They are soccer boots designed specifically for that sport. I know of some clubs/counties who have banned their players wearing them because of this.

In what way do you think they dont give adequate support?
I dont see why a "soccer" boot wouldnt be fit for purpose for a gaelic player, we do the same twisting and turning etc

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 29/03/2011 12:55:00    898459

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898459 RangerDanger
County: Armagh
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I also feel that many players wear inappropriate footwear for playing the sports and this contributes to the increase in knee/ankle injuries.. Gaelic football in particular has a high impact level no matter what level the game is at and given that I think that the likes of blades do not give adequate support for players. They are soccer boots designed specifically for that sport. I know of some clubs/counties who have banned their players wearing them because of this.

In what way do you think they dont give adequate support?
I dont see why a "soccer" boot wouldnt be fit for purpose for a gaelic player, we do the same twisting and turning etc

We don't do the same twisting and turning, the style of running is different, the upper body impact creates more pressure on the joints therefore the studs need to be able to support the balance and blades do not "move" in the ground the way six studs do. Due to the rigidity of the blades boot with the blade deep in the ground, bladed football boots do not have 'give' in them when turning which means that when you turn you leg your knee/ankle will go easily. Manchester United have banned their players from wearing them. They have been directly linked in many injuries and in particular to the spate of metatrsal injuries that plagued the English teams a number of years back. If you are playing on hard ground then a set of mouldies with about 16 small studs on them give you adequate support, eg puma Kings or Addidas World Cup.

RangerDanger (Armagh) - Posts: 101 - 29/03/2011 13:20:46    898486

Didnt really read all the 3 pages of comments but weight training doesnt necessarily affect the nippy little players at all, granted it makes them stronger but when balanced correctly it will improve speed and agility.

I recently was fortunate to go to a Tipp Football indoor training night where they did a weight session, its not just all pumping iron, its an awful lot of core stability work more so than just straight up strength training

kilruane (Tipperary) - Posts: 155 - 29/03/2011 13:50:00    898522

bosch, studies have shown that there is a direct link between wearing 'blades' in boots as opposed to studs, and knee injuries. I cant remember the exact figure but somewhere around 80% of all serious knee injuries have happened to people wearing blades.

890202 (Wexford) - Posts: 1278 - 29/03/2011 14:21:19    898536

I may bin the blades!

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 29/03/2011 15:36:07    898613