mesamis.
i owe you a apology i said you justified the actions of extremists , i did not mean for it to come out that way , its just i have very strong feelings on this matter , and that came out wrong for that i am very sorry .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/02/2011 08:52:00    867937

Can all you christians please vacate my country, i as a pagan was here first, you immigrants have brought in your foreign "Christianity".
First it was "stop sacrificing goats" then it was "stop with the riding" next it was "your many Gods are false there is only one God" and now my paganism has all but died out cos of you foreigners!

bosch (Derry) - Posts: 873 - 15/02/2011 09:28:47    867946

derryman

A very well educated Australian once told me that there were 12 tribes of Israel but one of them dissapeared from History " The Tribe of Dan". He said that at around the same time in history the Tuatha De Danann turned up in Ireland. He said some scholars believed them to be one and the same. Does this have any credit or is there something to it. Black and White you know your history what do you think or indeed anyone?

Interesting one derryman, never heard that before.

As far as I know, the Tribe of Dan were known until the Assyrian conquest of Israel (circa 800-700BC), after which their history has dissappeared. They were the only one of the 12 tribes considered to be pagans, which might explain some of the linkage.

According to the Annals of the Four Masters, Tuatha de Dannan were conquered by the Milesians prior to 1000BC, which would suggest that Tuatha de Dannan in Ireland would have been before the Tribe of Dan disappeared, but given that mix of legend and fact that makes up much of Irish pre-history the dates could be much earlier or much later.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 15/02/2011 10:09:44    867979

I think the thread title should be changed to "islam is bad".

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 15/02/2011 10:34:14    867989

i wouldnt mind islam - catholics and protestant cant even get along on this island just look at the mess that is northern ireland- biggots galore!

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 15/02/2011 10:46:03    867997

liathroidboy
County: Mayo
Posts: 1661

867997 i wouldnt mind islam - catholics and protestant cant even get along on this island just look at the mess that is northern ireland- biggots galore!

Yep and you hate the lot of them, bigots or not.

I wasn't saying Islam is bad by the way just that is seems a more appropriate title for the tread.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12494 - 15/02/2011 10:59:35    868009

breff i dont hate anyone and hate is a strong word and has caused enough problems in irish society. as regards the catholics and protestants in northern ireland i definately dont hate them i just think they are irrelavant to the republic of ireland as its not our mess. please dont push words like hate on me that is very disingenous on you part- i have never said i hate anyone!

liathroidboy (Mayo) - Posts: 4921 - 15/02/2011 11:21:44    868023

derryman
County: Derry
A very well educated Australian once told me that there were 12 tribes of Israel but one of them dissapeared from History " The Tribe of Dan". He said that at around the same time in history the Tuatha De Danann turned up in Ireland. He said some scholars believed them to be one and the same.

Interesting, hadn't heard that. I would guess that alot of the beliefs of the ancient Irish would have been retro-fitted to reflect the Christian world by the early Christians here. They wouldn't have been able to just get rid of the beliefs the Irish had, so planting Biblical references in the folklore might have been a tool they used. The same thing was done with the origins of Mil Espaine and the Milesians. Add in that all these legends and folklore would've first been documented by Christians on the island, and you'd get an idea of why the biblical links could've been inserted/manufactured.

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1823 - 15/02/2011 11:40:46    868039

If done properly then multiculturalism can be hugely beneficial to a society.

Done badly and it can cause irreprable damage.

In Ireland, we have actually managed (by and large) to do quite well. Eastern Europeans have been the most obvious example of integrating into Irish society, whilst still retaining their won identity. We have a well-established Jewish community, again, well integrated into Irish society. And our Islamic community, despite what some may wish to portray, has for the majoirty integrated into Irish life as well.
Immigrants coming to Ireland will naturally gravitate towards their own, and will always retain a strong identity of their own culture. However, they also realise that Ireland has its own culture, customs and ways of doing things, and for the most part they adapt to live within this. We have been fairly successful in this regard because we have maintained our own way of doing things, whilst remaining open to elements of other culture that can benefit us.
Personally, I think that one of the key things that has helped us in succeeding with multiculturalism is that the vast majority of immigrants to Ireland came with relatively good command of English, and came at a time that there were jobs aplenty in the country.

In the UK, multiculturalism has failed to a large degree. The problem being that integration hasn't really happened. Indian, African Muslim communities live, work and socialise together, and don't seem to have nearly as much interaction with the indigenous population as happens in Ireland.
I believe that the root of the problem is that large scale immigration into the UK occurred after the collapse of the empire, at times when jobs were not plentiful for the incoming migrants. As a result, they retreated into their own communities, and didnt' adapt to their new surroundings. Now the second generation have been raised as if they still lived in the country of their ancestors, and can't understand why the customs in their land of birth are different. They see England as "their" country, and they want it to conform to their way of life.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 15/02/2011 12:00:41    868050

Indian, African Muslim communities live, work and socialise together, and don't seem to have nearly as much interaction with the indigenous population as happens in Ireland.

Probably a bit ambiguous.

Rephrase to the following

The problem being that integration hasn't really happened for large parts of the immigrant community. Many elements of the Indian, African and Muslim communities live, work and socialise together, and don't seem to have nearly as much interaction with the indigenous population as happens in Ireland.

black&white (Sligo) - Posts: 1628 - 15/02/2011 12:04:47    868051

a famous response of years gone by from a famous general.

NUTS . end of story

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/02/2011 14:39:54    868227

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1317

867934 So they are not really based in Rome then dhorse?

The church you probably refer to is most definitly based in rome.However the word Catholic has been hijacked by them , like a lot of other things. there are actually other christian churches that claim to be catholic also



Adjective;

1.Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive:

2.Including or concerning all humankind; universal:

The Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, Anglicans, Lutherans and some Methodists believe that their churches are catholic in the sense that they are in continuity with the original universal church founded by the Apostles. The Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Oriental Orthodox churches all believe that their church is the only original and universal church.

it's all down to what you believe or are made believe as a child

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 15/02/2011 14:44:23    868232

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3797

. thats my thinking in all of of this and it is sincere with no malice whatsoever .

I have no reason to doubt your intentions,, it's just hard to see where intolerance and anhillation fit in with them

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 15/02/2011 14:47:57    868237

dhorse.
listen nobody is after destruction , my opinion is based on events and the current tide of demands that seem unreasonble and unfair to other faiths .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/02/2011 15:00:33    868256

derryman

A very well educated Australian once told me that there were 12 tribes of Israel but one of them dissapeared from History " The Tribe of Dan". He said that at around the same time in history the Tuatha De Danann turned up in Ireland. He said some scholars believed them to be one and the same. Does this have any credit or is there something to it. Black and White you know your history what do you think or indeed anyone?

The whole milesian story is very Hazy to say the least, we were told about them by a great teacher in school but in the intervening years i have come across a couple of people studying the subject and it all seems very vague. the annals of the 4 masters were compiled in 17th century? by people with a christian education. In fairness one would have to be dubious of the factual content of something that was written down thousands of years later without any previous documentation.

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 15/02/2011 15:01:50    868259

I think the British government should look back to their forefathers in regards to this problem

If they have some troublesome Muslims on their books… then the answer is to transplant them somewhere else of less importance to them - A plantation of people if you will.

They should cart them all off to Northern Ireland...

It will actually have its benefits - it should get all the Christians in Northern Ireland to team up... for once. Against a very old enemy...

What do you think?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 15/02/2011 15:05:23    868268

jimbodub.
here we go again . bringing the north of ireland into it , this is a global problem if you did not notice and a hefty one at that .

ta32 (Tyrone) - Posts: 4907 - 15/02/2011 15:09:42    868275

;)

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 15/02/2011 15:21:41    868294

ta32
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3804

867922
mesamis.
tone of what mesamis what the truth ithink you will find a few people has agreed of what the main points of what i am saying , just go on and follow the p.c blind , another thing i was in the tube that day as well so you were not the only one . how can you not see what is happening , also i am sure your fellow christians have been treated fairly watching a blue sky at work from a high rise building while some lunatic drives a 747 through their window in order to kill thousands.

Was it only Christians that died in those attacks? What about the Atheists, Jews, Muslims and Agnostics that died too? Do they not count?

I agree that Muslim fundamentalism is a huge problem facing the West. But I also realise that the first and most important step in countering their threat is to know that the terrorists do not represent ALL Muslims. Until that is done we cannot defeat them.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13844 - 15/02/2011 15:43:11    868331

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 4725

867989 I think the thread title should be changed to "islam is bad".

ISLAMABAD

dhorse (Laois) - Posts: 11374 - 15/02/2011 15:51:21    868346